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To: Sto Zvirat
Versus mounds of data showing it was a plane.

All that I have seen is only tripe, stuff and nonsense.

Rick Warren took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining that each one was to be used as evidence against the "phony" missile launch.
Doesn't that sound silly!?
287 posted on 11/23/2010 11:04:18 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister; TigersEye; The Duke; DontTreadOnMe2009; Las Vegas Dave; All
Summary:

Most of the people who buy the airplane contrail, when asked directly, say they've never seen a live missile launch, but they've seen a lot of airplane contrails and they're awfully clever with slide-rules and computations and such. The unspoken implication is that they're obviously a lot more "sensible" than a bunch of "kooks" in California, an experienced news camerman in a very competitive market, a couple of Air Force generals, an editor of Jane's, veteran missileers, etc. It explains why you've actually seen contrailers naively crow, "Well, if it was a missile launch, Mr. smartypants, where was the sonic boom? Huh?" *sigh* All you can do is shake your head and think, "You've never seen a missile launch, have you?" But oops ... that's bragging, and meanwhile you marvel over their breathtaking, if generally civil and polite, arrogance.

Everyone has seen and mused over unusual airline contrails. We all have experience there. A person -- any person -- who has watched with binoculars missile launches 25 to 160 miles distant knows absolutely hands-down that it is FANTASY that any cognizant adult equipped with magnification in binocs or a professional camera could confuse a missile launch in that range with a commercial airline contrail. Pure fantasy.

THEREFORE, either there was premeditated malicious intent and considerably skilled and advanced technical tampering with the original footage on the part of CBS and/or Gil Leyvas, or this was a missile launch. The possibility of the former is so nil as to be discountable.

THEREFORE, anyone who's actually seen a lot of missile launches, military or civilian when they saw them, knows that every bit of hocus pocus and wishful thinking attempting to "prove" the video (photos from which appear almost not at all in proportion to the mountain of photos from other sources which claim to be this, that, or the other, but NOT from the video) is wrong.

Knowing this is not bragging, not ego, it's not "being smarter than you," it's not "You're such a dumb bunny." It's just plain being a human on the ground using the sense God gave you to assess what's going on. As for me, I confirmed and double-checked with folks as experienced and more informed than me, just to make sure. I looked at the light cast on the plume, and spoke at great length with a person who is a professional in a field involving aviation perspective and lighting. I grabbed a map. I talked to all kinds of people whose experiences in seeing missile launches have been different than mine -- from at sea, for example, and commercial fishing in the area. I come back here and I see the same tired old tactics -- still photos, distractions, shiny objects, emotional rants, ridicule, insults, and demands for theories as to who, then, fired the missile (I don't know; that's beyond my purview; I only know that calling Leyvas' video footage of a commercial airliner is pure unadulterated bullsh*t).

Assiduously avoided by the dedicated "disprovers" is footage of the actual video. They throw everything but the kitchen sink at viewers' eyes: pictures of this, that, and the other, graphs, diagrams, and more photos of things to compare. The possibilities in that kind of distraction are literally infinite. To add insult to injury, they work exclusively in still photos, which by definition cannot convey time or movement -- yet discount the Leyvas video completely because, apparently, it is a bunch of still shots that have been cleverly manipulated and "edited" in order to fool you and me into mistaking an airliner leaving a contrail for a missile. That is so very convenient for the contrail folks, since still photos are THE ONLY WAY that airline contrails can ever fool anyone on the ground into mistaking them for missile plumes.

Yet in the end, there's only ONE photographic image that is established absolutely as being what it is: that captured in the Leyvas video. Everything else -- all other images, comparisons, alleged views of the same event from different locations -- ALL, except from LAX webcam, I suppose, are either useless technically or unverifiable. They serve zero purpose but to distort, distract and confuse from the video in question.

Rick Warren took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining that each one was to be used as evidence against the "phony" missile launch.

That's about it.

408 posted on 11/26/2010 4:08:48 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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