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Summit endorses expunging blacks' criminal records
nwi.com (The Northwest Indiana Times Online) ^ | November 19, 2010 | Lu Ann Franklin

Posted on 11/20/2010 9:57:24 PM PST by shibumi

GARY | Black males have higher rates of incarceration and of repeat offenses that land them back in jail or prison, statistics show.

Changing that dynamic could begin with expunging their criminal records.

That was the consensus of a discussion Thursday sponsored by the Gary Commission on the Social Status of Black Males in conjunction with the East Chicago-based group Working Outside the Walls and an alliance of grassroot activists.

The panel discussion brought together activists, religious leaders, law enforcement officers and area legislators to talk about a possible Expungement Summit in Northwest Indiana. Expunging the criminal records of juveniles and adults would help them find jobs and turn their lives around, said Bennie Muhammed, GCSSBM executive director.

(Excerpt) Read more at nwitimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: crime; cw2; preference
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To: shibumi

Just summon the Death Panels.

Every one has their second chance in Heaven.

Problem solved.


61 posted on 11/21/2010 12:00:06 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shibumi

“blacks’ criminal records”? Really? I didn’t know they engaged in crime.


62 posted on 11/21/2010 12:05:08 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: vaudine
From the article:

"Dorothy Brown, clerk of the Cook County (Ill.) Circuit Court, outlined how she has organized expungement summits across the state line."

It would seem they are still in the planning stage, unless I am misreading something. My understanding is that the "summit" cannot enact the practice unilaterally.
63 posted on 11/21/2010 12:05:51 AM PST by shibumi (Wily Pablo loves Flank Steak Tacos)
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To: shibumi

That requires legislative approval at the state level.

Good luck with it. No politician wants to be accused of being “soft on crime.”

And it doesn’t address why so many black males wind up in prison in the first place. Expungement is akin to treating the symptom without addressing the underlying cause.

No that is not a long term solution.


64 posted on 11/21/2010 12:08:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shibumi

incredible

where do I sign up?

I better get to the tanning bed.


65 posted on 11/21/2010 12:10:05 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy

Be careful.

I don’t think orange guys qualify for expungement. :)


66 posted on 11/21/2010 12:11:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shibumi
I was being facetious because Chicago/Cook is already such a hotbed of criminals.

vaudine

67 posted on 11/21/2010 12:14:57 AM PST by vaudine
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To: shibumi

This is ALL about voting rights.


68 posted on 11/21/2010 12:18:21 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: wardaddy

They taxed the tanning industry out of existence just so we couldn’t fake it.


69 posted on 11/21/2010 12:18:41 AM PST by shibumi (Wily Pablo loves Flank Steak Tacos)
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To: JoeSixPack1

I suspect you are correct.

I’m in favor of letting only taxpayers vote - as it was in the beginning.


70 posted on 11/21/2010 12:21:44 AM PST by shibumi (Wily Pablo loves Flank Steak Tacos)
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To: shibumi

Me too but expungement without merit ain’t right.

and I am the kettle calling the pot tan honestly..I was a wild buck in my yute

folks should be able to prove they are reformed and have all their rights restored..voting...guns etc

hell...i think Illinois lets them vote from prison even via absentee

it’s ironic that the black angle may ultimately renfranchise many folks ...one in seven people cannot own guns now

but this is not the right way to go about it

and doing it by race would not withstand even the most Ginsburg court btw

we have let not dealing with race candidly handicap us beyond even what my ancestors feared


71 posted on 11/21/2010 12:26:53 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: BenKenobi

Right now, employers can generally only ask about convictions (and not arrests) since blacks are arrested disproportionately. However, if a conviction is expunged, a job applicant can legally say that he/she has never been convicted.

Sucks to be an employer.


72 posted on 11/21/2010 12:43:59 AM PST by Rybashka
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To: shibumi

In an egregiously stupid and moronic period in the nation’s history, during which the leaders of America have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are mentally defective relative to those who have gone before, this is without a doubt the most pathetically weak-minded and idiotic notion I, personally, have ever heard.

And that is, indeed, saying something.


73 posted on 11/21/2010 1:31:32 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“....This might be more about petty thefts, petty vandalism, littering, pot smoking, and that sort of thing.......”

OK, you’re covered the under 13 crowd. What are your thoughts on the older folks.


74 posted on 11/21/2010 4:02:30 AM PST by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: shibumi

At least in Indiana this would require a change in state law to accomplish. Since the Republicans took over the State house earlier this month there is absolutely no chance this is going to happen. It’s a non-starter.


75 posted on 11/21/2010 4:08:56 AM PST by circlecity
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To: shibumi

Notice that the article makes no mention of the primary losers under this proposal: young black men with clean records. By significantly reducing the utility of a criminal records check as a screening device, the kid from the ‘hood who has kept his nose clean would be treated as a member of a presumptively criminal class.


76 posted on 11/21/2010 5:03:40 AM PST by sphinx (,)
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To: Myrddin
Sounds like a stupid idea. It violates equal protection by giving criminals of a specified race a pass on responsibility for their criminal acts. You do the crime, you do the time. The legal system is stuck on stupid of late.

So to get around that, they just give a committee the power to approve expunging records, and it just so happens that the committee practices affirmative action. You think any administration will give them a hard time about it?

OTOH, I would not mind sealing records for minor felonies if the guy goes five years being employed at something and has no further trouble with the law.

77 posted on 11/21/2010 5:11:55 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: wildbill
If this doesn’t work to improve their self-image, I suppose the next step of affirmative action would be to put their criminal records onto whites. Why you could just pick whites out of the population at random to make it fair(er)and put a criminal record on them, assessing each so many juvie busts, a few minor misdemeanors and then some heavy felonies. Just look at what that would do to the job market, college applications, and applications to country clubs.

This is already the point of schools' "zero tolerance" policy: get enough white kids busted for making pictures of guns, and you can bust black kids for actual violence without your statistics showing anything that you can be accused of racism for.

78 posted on 11/21/2010 5:16:29 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: BenKenobi
All that I can say is that ANYONE hiring a black, under policies like this, should have their head examined. The economic damage of policies like this cannot be underestimated.

After all, why not expunge sex offenders, so that they can get jobs back in where they like to work with their prey (i.e., schools, day care, etc.).

50 posted on 11/20/2010 11:22:15 PM PST by BobL

Very good point. If they are expunged, then the employer has no way of knowing who is clean and who is not.
In fact, even if they only do this in Chicago, how do you then know if the black applicant is actually not himself from Chicago?
The bottom line is that this conceit increases the cost of knowledge (as Thomas Sowell put it in Knowledge and Decisions). And that increases the risk of economic transactions. So those transactions become fewer.

Ghastly idea.


79 posted on 11/21/2010 5:20:59 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: shibumi

In almost all Presidential elections, Indiana is one of the first reporting results.

An “oddity” happened in 2008. The results were very late.

Lake county, northwest Indiana, outside Chicago results were delayed. Indiana was called for Obama.

No doubt in my mind massive voter fraud threw the election to Obama in Indiana.


80 posted on 11/21/2010 5:25:35 AM PST by dforest
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