Posted on 11/20/2010 6:08:23 PM PST by WebFocus
Only for butt sex apparently....
The pope never said condoms are ok. He is being grossly misquoted.
If you read the other threads on this subject you will see that the conclusion drawn is entirely mistaken. What you would expect from a secular British paper.
My gosh why do people fall for the lies Liberals put out!
The pope said no such thing.
The male prostitute quote in English is prostitute in the Vatican newspaper - so there has been a mistranslation which I am sure you knew about.
Some Big Change from the Pope on Condom Use? (In a word, no!)
Pope oks condoms (More of the context of the papal interview) (Ecumenical)
I see the Guardian takes the Pope’s nuances and twists them.
“After holding firm during his papacy to the Vatican’s blanket ban on the use of contraceptives, Benedict’s surprise comments will shock conservatives in the Catholic church while finding favour with senior Vatican figures who are pushing for a new line on the issue as HIV ravages Africa.”
First, Benedict’s stance will not shock “conservatives in the Catholic Church”... His stance will shock CATHOLICS who are trapped in a Church that is no longer Catholic, and which is eclipsed by Modernist heretics (The “senior Vatican figures” mentioned in the article.)
Second, a virus is much smaller than the microscopic holes in a latex condom, so condom use will not prevent the transmission of a virus.
Third, there are a great many new STDs that will spread through genital contact, whether a condom is used or not.
Fourth, There is NO CLINICAL EVIDENCE THAT LINKS HIV WITH AIDS... NONE. So the entire argument is a straw dog.
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What’s wrong with contraceptives?
This article incorrectly quotes the Pope, and it should be taken down off Guardian. Just lies ...
Better yet — what is wrong with prophylactics?
Read this: Catholic World Report
Or this: National Catholic Register
Both have the actual statement he made in its context.
Then get back with me.
So what did the pope say? That it’s less bad for a male prostitute who uses condoms than for one not to use condoms? I bet he also said it’s best yet not to be a male prostitute at all, but that didn’t get any press.
“Pope Benedict says that condoms can be used to stop the spread of HIV (Contraceptives now allowed?)”
what about for preventing abortion?
But it is not really the way to deal with the evil of HIV infection. That can really lie only in a humanization of sexuality.
Supposedly these are 'HIS' words according to your link...now there was no instruction given as to what humanization of sexuality means....
As a parent I cannot begin to formulate in my mind what was supposedly said in a clear and concise terms to my children. It is like words, words, words, on this hand, and then on that hand, and maybe, perhaps, possibly on and on and on.... 'evil' was not identified as origination but only the results... It is like liberals pouring $$$$ into their 'war' on poverty to keep poverty sustainable.
And that is a fair criticism.
It should be taken in direct contrast to the banalization of sexuality mentioned immediately above:
This means that the sheer fixation on the condom implies a banalization of sexuality, which, after all, is precisely the dangerous source of the attitude of no longer seeing sexuality as the expression of love, but only a sort of drug that people administer to themselves. This is why the fight against the banalization of sexuality is also a part of the struggle to ensure that sexuality is treated as a positive value and to enable it to have a positive effect on the whole of mans being.
The Catholic Church has, since the time of Christ, taught that sex is to be for unitive and procreative purposes. Unitive = "and the two shall become one flesh" and Procreative = "be fruitful and multiply". The pleasure associated with it is the effect that God built in to encourage married people to do so. (And, yes, I can probably think of more examples than you can where notable people didn't live up to what they should do. That doesn't change the teaching. It just shows where people are fallen). People indiscriminately engaging in sex solely to achieve that effect rather than for its purpose support its banalization.
The humanization of sex is simply placing sex in the human context that God intended for it when He made humans.
Yes, I'd have wished that he would have expounded on that in an interview that was destined to go into a mass publication book for a general audience, but he didn't.
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