Posted on 11/19/2010 9:56:29 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner
We have an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to travel by any means available, as long as we have the wherewithal to pay our way. Since travel is PRIVATE, where is the Constitutional authority for ANY governmental involvement whatsoever????
You are one condescending and strange dude...very unlike most Freepers I’ve encountered, Sport.
And you didn’t really answer my question about cavity searches, Sport. Probably cool with you.
Do you deny that acts of terrorism have been committed with vehicles of all types, Sport? Those don’t kill enough people for you though? Let’s see - if you added up all the victims of car/truck bombs I’d bet they number more than those killed by terrorist hijacked planes, Sport.
Your logic fails.
Sport.
The courts have sworn to protect and secure the people’s unalienable rights. All the people. Equally.
I think it’s crazy to say that they can’t do the primary job they swore to do.
And again, Paul’s legislation never says that the states must protect the rights of the unborn, as the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments require. It’s very deceptive that way.
Again, he thinks the states can allow abortion if they want to.
Yea, not a fan of Ron Paul either, but the old adage about blind squirrels and broken clocks, applies
Don't hijack the thread.
I'm no more condescending than you are antagonistic and argumentative.
We can now add "thin skinned" to list as well, apparently.
When you fly aircraft over people's homes and over (or nearly over) sensitive commercial and government installations, government plainly has a role. They have a role to ensure that those planes are properly maintained and that they are flown by qualified and trained operators to limit as much as possible the threat of accident to people on the ground. And, government has a constitutionally explicit role to ensure that those aircraft can NOT be turned into a weapon of mass destruction, by enemies both foreign and domestic.
The founders road horses to the Constitutional Convention. No one has ever killed three thousand people with a chestnut colt. Just saying.
Perhaps, but you do have the right to be secure in your *person* and your papers. Buying a ticket for plane travel does NOT abrogate that right unless there’s been a Constitutional amendment that I’m not aware of that does so.
Sorry, but this shit is pissing me off.
I don’t have a problem with *reasonable* efforts to ensure airline safety, which in my mind would INCLUDE passenger profiling, but I draw the line when it becomes unreasonable. And this crap fits the bill.
I don’t have kids, but if I had a three year old at was molested by a TSA agent like the one that’s been going around; I’d probably be in jail for man slaughter at the very least.
If we are to just sit back and surrender as you suggest, just so we can travel from pint A to point B; then I submit to you that the terrorists have already won.
And I think that’s just bullshit!
Still no answer about cavity searches?
Or the “number of deaths” threshold needed for you to consider one form of transportation more of a terroristic threat than another?
A truck bomb could take out quite a few - but not enough?
Only a plane as a missile could kill enough people to warrant it a threat?
No more planes at all should follow your line of thought...never know what’s in a pilot’s mind...they could intentionally crash it at any time. People “snap” in the workplace more often than terrorists use planes as missles.
No more planes sound good to you?
The way I see it, a post that turns the conversation towards the stated primary principles and goals of this website can’t possibly “hijack” anything.
For you? I'd recommend them early and often. Something has is clearly stuck up your ass.
As for the rest of it, you reinforce my supposition that you can't discern difference between the physical limitations of ships, trains and automobiles relative to the limitations (or lack thereof) of airplanes. In this regard, you don't disappoint.
No one has ever driven a Chevy Silverado at nearly 700MPH into a nuclear reactor - nor could they given the physical barriers that are erected around every reactor in the country. But it could be EASILY done with a 225-ton passenger airplane. The government isn't just trying to prevent the next WTC collapse. Theoretically, that could be replicated with any truck bomb. They are trying to reduce or eliminate our exposure to an event that would have regional ramifications - like the destruction of a major dam, the explosion of a chemical plant or the breach of a nuclear reactor core.
Nice deflection.
No real answers? Expected.
Any pilot could at any time crash into a Nuke plant...no more planes right?
Please answer directly.
Seriously, have been in hibernation for the last 20 years. Rip, is that you?
Any pilot could, but "any" pilot hasn't. But, passenger HAVE taken over a plane and flown it into its intended target - three times, in fact.
Pilots undergo pretty extensive screening themselves, to include background, psychological and physical evaluations. They have to undergo annual physicals, and certain medications - like those prescribed for mental illness - will ground a pilot. Yes, there is a risk that a pilot could fly his airplane into a high-risk target. But, it's a carefully managed risk. Again, I'm not surprised you don't know or can't comprehend this.
Well, I must admit I'm impressed. I thought for sure that a young, Muslim adult male tried to blow himself up right over the city of Detroit. But, according to you, that was theater. Well done. Hopefully, that kid will get an Oscar, or is it a Tony?
Say, do you think 9/11 was "theater" too, cause those people jumping out of those building that are no longer there, seemed pretty real at the time. Maybe it was me.
This is one of those times.
His speech prior to the first TARP vote in October 2008 is another I remember well and I wholeheartedly agreed with everything he said.
“The government isn’t just trying to prevent the next WTC collapse. Theoretically, that could be replicated with any truck bomb. They are trying to reduce or eliminate our exposure to an event that would have regional ramifications - like the destruction of a major dam, the explosion of a chemical plant or the breach of a nuclear reactor core.”
How bout if the government asks us citizens on the ground how we feel about the possibility of hijacked terrorist missle planes crashing into us - or our infrastructure?
Ask us if we are willing to allow our air travelling friends to be Xrayed and groped in order to ease our fears?
There are lots of trade-offs involving risks in life. In order for my fellow citizens to live grope-free in America - I will assume the risk of possible terrorist hijacked missle planes.
I probably assume more of a risk every time I get in my car - don’t you think?
Go away, newby.
You just answered my question, which I was ‘implying’ by asking the question as I did. They do not want anything but body scanners used. This is an ‘enhanced technique’ to force people to accept them and make those sheep feel good.
None of this protects us any more than what we had before. Where are the screeners overseas? Oh, yeah we don’t have that. What next, when the next person uses a body cavity to get the bomb on board? Do we get gynecologists? Urologists? Rectal and vaginal exams? But, it does make a lot of people ‘feel better’. Then again we are a ‘feel good’ society.
I prefer to keep my God-given liberties and not cede to a tyrannical out of control government the ‘right’ to invade my BODY just so I can pay to fly on a plane!
Sorry if you missed it - but pilots have crashed planes into into buildings - just not enough deaths for you I guess because they were smaller planes.
Pilots are only human - probably more a threat that a pilot would snap than an old lady nun or a three year old girl is a terrorist worthy of violating.
Are you sure you are logged in to the right website - you sure don’t seem like a Freeper.
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