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To: Non-Sequitur
Well then he should have worded the amendment that way, shouldn't he?

He did... for those who can read. That's what "... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." means. Lawyers have bastardized the law to what it is now... just like the 2nd Amendment... but the words still mean what they were meant to mean.

23 posted on 11/18/2010 8:43:09 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
... but the words still mean what they were meant to mean.

And what does that phrase mean to you?

30 posted on 11/18/2010 8:56:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: pgyanke
"That's what "... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." means."

Only if you create some weird definition of "jurisdiction". Sorry, no.

It's very simple. If civil law applies to you, if you can get arrested for committing a crime, then you are "subject to the jurisdiction". That's what jurisdiction means. Illegal aliens are certainly subject to our laws when they are here.

The problem with the quote isn't so much that it is wrong or conflicts with the 14th, it's that people are misreading it. They are reading it as if it said:

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners OR aliens OR who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers..."

There are no "ORs" in it. It is an attribute list of single class of persons. Families of ambassadors are foreigners and aliens.

50 posted on 11/18/2010 9:26:56 AM PST by mlo
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To: pgyanke
Lawyers have bastardized the law to what it is now...

No, lawyers have gone on what was written in the amendment. If a person can't write the amendment to actually say what he “intended”, he should have taken up some some other profession, like digging ditches. Maybe he would have been good at that.

Birthright citizenship is the law right now in the U.S., it's always been the law, and I'll be very happy if they change it. I've known about this since the sixties, I wanted this changed even then. But there has been no serious interest until now.

71 posted on 11/18/2010 10:12:22 AM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground - the Hogwarts of Stupid.)
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