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To: pgyanke
With all due respect to Senator Howard, if that is what he wanted it to mean, he should have included "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." into the text of the amendment.

Since it is not part of the text, we have some "wise latina" trying to ascertain the meaning of the amendment, and she will not look at "original intent".

12 posted on 11/18/2010 8:31:11 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

Maybe he thought that he was writing for an educated populace. At the time of the writing “... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...” meant what you suggested. That’s why he said “of course” in his explanation... it was self-evident in the language. Then come the lawyers...


24 posted on 11/18/2010 8:46:37 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: kosciusko51; pgyanke; Non-Sequitur

I could be mistaken, but I believe that illegal aliens are not “...subject to the jurisdiction thereof...” as that phrase is defined. If so, Senator Howard’s comments would be redundant.

Also, legislative history is relevant, though not conclusive evidence, in determining the intent of laws.


25 posted on 11/18/2010 8:47:20 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: kosciusko51

“Since it is not part of the text, we have some “wise latina” trying to ascertain the meaning of the amendment, and she will not look at “original intent”. “

That is a problem. But the 14th was written in the 1860’s. I cannot criticize Sen. Howard for not anticipating the supreme court would become the fist of radical left-wing activism. You cannot draft legislation or amendments to prevent judicial bad-faith.


81 posted on 11/18/2010 10:48:44 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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