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At a Glance: What GM owes taxpayers
breitbart ^ | 11/17/10 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/17/2010 6:13:26 PM PST by Nachum

When all the General Motors common stock in its initial public offering changes hands, the U.S. government will wind up $26.4 billion short of getting back the $50 billion it gave GM to get it through bankruptcy last year. But it also will have about 500 million shares left to sell. That means there's a possibility of recouping most, if not all, of the money.

Here's how the numbers work:

Original bailout: $50 billion.

GM repaid loan portion, $6.7 billion.

GM to buy back government preferred shares: $2.1 billion.

GM repayment of government interest and dividends: $700 million.

Total repayment before IPO: $9.5 billion.

What GM still owes before IPO: $40 billion.

Government likely to make $13.6 billion in IPO by selling 412 million of its 912 million common shares at $33 each. This assumes bankers exercise options for more shares.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 11/17/2010 6:13:28 PM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 11/17/2010 6:15:40 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Do not buy a GM car— ever, This is communism— worker and government owned . No sale here. FORD is wonderful!!!God Bless free enterprise.


3 posted on 11/17/2010 6:16:45 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Nachum

Not to mention what they owe the bondholders.


4 posted on 11/17/2010 6:19:51 PM PST by Kent C
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To: Nachum

Yeah, but what about the GMAC bailouts?


5 posted on 11/17/2010 6:26:09 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: Nachum

eventually we will be writing off that $26 billion remaining after the IPO


6 posted on 11/17/2010 6:27:18 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Nachum

Frankly, IMO, only the Chinese and fools will throw their Money into GM stock. zero ripped the stockholders off once and there’s nothing to keep him from doing it again. At $33/share, I think the stock is overvalued and will drop quickly after the IPO.


7 posted on 11/17/2010 6:31:42 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: Nachum

What about the special tax treatment GM is getting? If you factor that in, it looks like money laundering: money in the front door to placate the rubes and money out the back door to give the enterprise value.


8 posted on 11/17/2010 6:33:14 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Nachum

What about the special tax treatment GM is getting? If you factor that in, it looks like money laundering: money in the front door to placate the rubes and money out the back door to give the enterprise value.


9 posted on 11/17/2010 6:33:52 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Nachum

“Government likely to make $13.6 billion in IPO by selling 412 million of its 912 million common shares at $33 each. This assumes bankers exercise options for more shares.”

Ha ha, what a laugh. $33/share!!! Who in their right mind would pay such a sum. GM is penny stock class.

Any Bank that would purchase GM shares at $33 would show they care not a wit about their depositors money and said depositors should pull their accounts from any bank if such a deal were to occur.


10 posted on 11/17/2010 6:34:27 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Benchim

Love my Nissan Titan! I bought it new in 2007 and I still love it!


11 posted on 11/17/2010 6:46:39 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: CapnJack

Please, who are the idiots that are going to buy GM stock. GM will be bankrupt again within 3 years.


12 posted on 11/17/2010 6:51:20 PM PST by Rodm
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To: DustyMoment

No one in their right mind will buy the stock or their vehicles.

A local father and son stock broker show on the radio is always gushing over Obama and GM’s IPO. Their clients are old senile union ny’ers.


13 posted on 11/17/2010 6:58:06 PM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Nachum

Doea this include the interest too?


14 posted on 11/17/2010 7:04:30 PM PST by rawhide
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At $33/share, I think the stock is overvalued and will drop quickly after the IPO.

I wouldn't touch GM issues with a fork.

I suspect they might go up sharply, but only briefly, as the Obama shills try to wow us with false enthusiasm (we know better by now, Mister Obama.)

The number of short positions could be a key indicator.

Then, I suspect that in (days? weeks? months?) smart money will bail, stop loss orders will start clicking in, and the fools who bought and kept GM will have a loss, with no turnaround in sight.

Bright side? Yes, there is one.

Anyone losing money on GM stock might at least be happy that they didn't buy a VOLT.

(Note: I don't give investment advice, so if you buy GM and actually make money, good on ya.)

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15 posted on 11/17/2010 7:07:35 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Nachum
These numbers are a bit different than what Erin Burnett from CNBC gave this morning(she mentioned over 550,000 current retirees)...still boggles the mind though....

"GM has about 54,000 UAW-represented hourly employees and nearly 400,000 UAW retirees"....and some of those are early retirements, they or their spouses may be collecting pension/health care benefits for what, 30 years?

At some point in American history that would have been considered a recipe for disaster(cough, social security)...now, not so much. Really?

I agree with a couple others on this forum...it's a juicy pump and dump stock. Soros and others of his ilk will buy heavily up front pushing the price up(QE2 will of course assist)...then(except the QE2'ers, AKA taxpayers)flush it when the time is right.

Guess who gets stuck holding the bag of sh it again?

16 posted on 11/17/2010 7:16:59 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Nachum
GM bailout was more like 80 billion, but why quibble ...
17 posted on 11/17/2010 7:23:05 PM PST by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: Benchim
Do not buy a GM car— ever, This is communism— worker and government owned . No sale here. FORD is wonderful!!!God Bless free enterprise.

I'm with you; GM is dead to me. I will not buy a new GM and give them money directly. I will not buy a used GM and support their resale value to indirectly make their new sales more attractive. Any GM product built after the corrupt Bailout is permanently off limits to me and my family, and I probably wouldn't buy an older GM either because it would appear to endorse their used vehicles and thus indirectly boost sales of post-Bailout GM products. Ford? They are very much on my shopping list. Eventually.

18 posted on 11/17/2010 7:38:24 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Nachum

So when do we get our refund checks from GM?


19 posted on 11/17/2010 8:36:39 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: goodwithagun

That is because you got great quality and didn’t pay for a bloated union retirement.


20 posted on 11/17/2010 8:36:54 PM PST by Benchim
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