[Carry_Okie]

If you are STUPID enough to live in the “Bay Area” of that cesspool of a “State” known as “California” then YOU are beyond hope.

By this post it is obvious that you are the one who has given up, and is therefore beyond hope.

[ApplegateRanch]

If insanity is doing the same thing over & over, expecting different results, then banging ones head against the same wall over and over, and expecting anything other than a concussion, is insane.