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To: RegulatorCountry
They were sorely abused with the Trail Of Tears, but southerners had next to nothing to do with it.

Righto, except for the southern slaveowning Tennessean president Jackson, who ignored a Supreme Court decision favoring the Cherokees. And, of course, for the Georgia state legislature and militia, which created the mess in the first place by unilaterally ignoring federal treaties.

You seriously think the impetus to expel the Cherokee and other southern tribes came from northerners, not the southern people who actually wanted their land?

BTW, Cherokees had their own civil war during ours. Units fought for both sides.

74 posted on 11/17/2010 8:25:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

The vast majority of southerners were not officers in any government, Sherman Logan. You immediately resort to assumption of government force any time a group of people is mentioned. You’ve really internalized the Federal leviathan and apparently cannot envision any other means of interrelation bewteen people.

Some of us know that southerners and native tribes got along rather well, and in many instances extremely well, since they’re in our family trees. Yes, there were attacks. Neither side was innocent. Mass expulsion was fought by the people. Churches fought it, mountain people fought it.

You go right ahead and prattle on about treaties and government edicts, and those of us who descend from these people will continue to relate the histories that we know because our people who went before lived it, on a human, interpersonal scale.


84 posted on 11/17/2010 8:36:13 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sherman Logan

***You seriously think the impetus to expel the Cherokee and other southern tribes came from northerners, not the southern people who actually wanted their land?***

***BTW, Cherokees had their own civil war during ours. Units fought for both sides.***

The Cherokee fate was sealed when GOLD was found on their lands.

Many of the richer Cherokees took boats to Oklahoma along with their posessions and SLAVES. The poorer Cherokees fought a war, tried to make a treaty. Their rep was kidnapped by others who then sent their own reps who signed away Cherokee claims in the South.
Then these had to walk to Oklahoma. It was so brutal even the white militias were ashamed of what happened.

Once in Oklahoma, there was a wave of murders in which those who signed away Cherokee rights in the South were hunted down and murdered.

During the Civil War, the Cherokees were divided. Their Confederate General, Stand Watie, was the last to surrender.

Then Pro-Union Cherokees were known as “Pin Indians” as their designation was two crossed pins on their clothing.

Isn’t REAL history a bitch?


88 posted on 11/17/2010 8:47:00 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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