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To: wagglebee; metmom; little jeremiah; xzins; P-Marlowe; trisham; Darkwolf377; Responsibility2nd

Fair enough. But first you have to get either two thirds of the congress to go along or a change at the SCOTUS. Either will take time and lots of effort, as I am sure you realize. All I am trying to say is conservatives made great gains and we should keep the momentum up. Not abandon our convictions at the ballot box but do the ground work first.

My reason for this is I live in Liberal New York and every Tea Party candidate was attacked not on their record but on the scare tactic of those mean Tea Party people will take away your Social Security and your right to choose. It may not be true but they thought it would work and that’s why they drag it out. This time it did not work. We even sent liberal John Hall packing.

To reverse this you must change the minds of voters who think this is OK. The liberals have the upper hand by allowing the argument to be over a “women’s right to choose”. It’s like she would lose the right to vote if abortion was illegal. More than a few people fall for this. The woman’s right to choose is at conception and not at birth. I would say it is the Childs right to life but the phrase seems overused. To liberals it is the code word for religious zealot. Maybe the answer is a Childs civil rights, as guaranteed in the constitution. IE: Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You can be convicted for double murder for killing a pregnant woman. Why do liberals support women using capital punishment against a citizen whose only crime is poor timing? Why is one citizens rights more important than another?

So I believe that it should be illegal but is now the time to make it a centerpiece of correcting the course of the United States? I think it is too soon, the ground work is not yet done. If we lose this battle for the United States you can start adding the deaths of old people who are no longer productive to your count of abortions. At this early stage of reversing 50 years of liberalism we can use the model of death from a thousand cuts. Campaign for pro lifers, when cutting government funding make sure pro-abortion groups are on the list, and make the argument about a child’s civil rights VS capital punishment. When debating abortion never call it abortion, call it murder. That then makes the liberals defending a woman’s right to murder.

I hope you now see where I am coming from. When the liberals wanted to legalize abortion do you think they said we want to make murdering an unborn child legal? No they started with arguments about unhealthy pregnancies. Ones that endangered the life of the mother. Then they progressed to sick babies, next thing you know you could abort on a whim. The other dirty little secret about abortion not everyone realizes is the liberals wanted abortion clinics in poor neighborhoods to cull the herds. Like all liberal plans it did not work.

I have enjoyed our spirited discussions and I never thought your goal was wrong. I just know that you will never achieve that goal alone.


362 posted on 11/17/2010 10:06:55 AM PST by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it))
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To: shoff
I just know that you will never achieve that goal alone.

Hmm. Who appointed you the All Knower of the future?

370 posted on 11/17/2010 11:50:53 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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