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To: mvpel
I wonder how many people here would believe this photo, (taken on 12/31/2009), is that of a missile launch. Photobucket
558 posted on 11/14/2010 8:41:02 AM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ronald_Magnus
No lay person with brains would presume to pronounce from that photo whether it was a contrail or missile launch. It is a still photo taken from too far a distance to tell. Furthermore, anyone who has SEEN missile launches and airliners leaving contrails knows that. People who have never SEEN first-hand a missile launch don't.

Lay people with brains and decades of first-hand sightings of missile launchs as well as airplane contrails, non-lay aviation and missile professionals with brains, and people who are close to them, generally (with some exceptions) look at the video -- not still photos, which tell you very little, but actual moving video -- and conclude that it was, indeed, a missile launch.

The cameraman who shot the video is either deliberately perpetrating a hoax AND lying outright in his description of the event, OR he is a blithering moron if he, after 11 years of filming LA skies via helicopter and using very high-quality lenses to see what he's looking at, cannot tell a commercial airliner contrail from a missile launch.

Frankly, that a guy like the camerman couldn't tell the difference is a hell of a lot more far-fetched than the missile shot scenario. Less far-fetched is the possibility that he's lying and deliberately manipulated the video to look like a missile shot.

Either way, we have seen arrogance on high display here among people who assume an immense amount of stupidity and ineptness on the part of pretty qualified folks who openly state their opinion that the video showed a missile launch.

657 posted on 11/14/2010 11:51:58 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

No corkscrew heavy missile plume seen.

Coming in over a distant mountain, thin wispy condensation trail going over our heads, not rising to North/ NW out to sea.

No comparison at all.

Orig report:

“Lit up the sky” ...

“It can’t belong to anyone but the military,” said Marco Caceres, an analyst with Teal Group Corp., a Fairfax, Va.-based aerospace research firm. The appearance of such a massive rocket contrail near military bases that are known for regularly testing missiles is unlikely to be a coincidence, Caceres said.

A more likely explanation, Caceres said: It was a mistake, perhaps a defense exercise launched by accident.

The military does, after all, operate a floating ocean platform and regularly carries out tests at San Nicolas Island, one of the Channel Islands, and Point Mugu Naval Air Station is a missile defense testing site.

Only armchair bloggers say “contrail seen every day- you missile truthers are border line insane” and yes I do indeed quote.

Experts, many many of them, say “Obvious and unmistakable missile launch”.

Jane’s missile magazine EDITOR says “missile launch”.

McInerney says “missile launch”. As I posted before:

I introduced you to the Jane’s missile magazine editor, Doug Richardson, who seems to have instantly and without any doubt at all confirmed it as a missile launch–please check my previous posting about six posts back. Do you recall the interview that he gave to the Times of London newspaper? Actually, this was my first post on the matter, because I believe Jane’s missile magazine Editor to be such an authority and expert.

I introduced you to the former US ambassador to NATO and the former Undersecretary of Defense, Robert Ellsworth, and his unequivocal statement could be seen and heard in the Fox news video interview, and you can see him smiling and laughing as he says these exact words: “Spectacular! That is a missile! It takes your breath away!!!”

It does take your breath away.

Then he went on to say “That is a very large missile, submarine launched, and you can tell it is of great size by the tremendous amount of smoke that it is putting out.”

And then I introduced you to a very famous Thomas McInerney, three-star retired lieutenant general of the Air Force, very forcefully and authoritatively stated “That is a missile shot from a submarine.”

Caceras, mentioned at top, says “missile launch”.

And each lists very convincingly their reasons.

Remember: “Spectacular. Takes your breath away. Sub launched SLBM !!!”
This is from a man who would know, many many who absolutely would know, not a ranting, sneering blooger.

I wonder what more evidence anyone in the world could ask for?

Sorry guys, in this case I just gotta go with the experts who have experience, expertise, brains, and good reputations on this one.

“Missile launch”-— backed up by the people noted above, who are experts with expertise and have given their reasons with which I agree -—and can also see with my own two lyin’ eyes.


802 posted on 11/15/2010 9:45:40 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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