Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
The "math" can prove flights, but the "math" can't disprove that the item in the video was a missile.
They were never misled.
Your shack will probably fall down ~ next time hire some engineers and architects who know math.
Again: how about that five-word answer?
And really, I won't even comment on the results, I just want to see your five-word answer.
Good work.
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I’m glad that you’ve had a lobotomy.
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Know what? NO ONE IN THE LINK YOU POST said "it was coming in the Est and going to the East."
Not the cameraman, not the two talking heads. NO ONE MADE THAT CLAIM.
One of the talking heads said the cameraman said he thought it looked like an incoming missile; from the Santa Monica area, something headed north-west would look incoming due to the curve of the coastline. Neither you nor I know if the cameraman actually said that, or if he said it and explained that while it may have looked "incoming" it was actually not, which is entirely within the realm of something he would say and how it would be misreported. Also, the camerman doesn't say he focused on the missile for ten minutes -- the talking head says the reporter "stayed on it" for ten minutes. The talking head is a boob who probably thinks filming the remains of a missile plume is the same as "staying on it." The cameraman, at least in this video, made no such claim, NOR did he OR ANYONE ELSE say it was east-bound.
The sun tells you where the missile was going. The sun tells you it was going in a north-westerly direction.
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> “Pretty good argument here that it was a plane”
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The only similarities are that both were in the sky off California.
The differences:
One (the plane) was in bound to the east, while the missile was outward bound to the northwest.
The contrail was light and fluffy, while the missile exhaust was dense, and had the distinct color of potassium permanganate.
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More problems with the fake gif animation. UPS902 was never due west of Long Beach. Never close to where the sun set when viewed from Long Beach. Hawaii is southwest of Long Beach. That flight was coming up from the southwest. It was 35 miles south of Long Beach at 29-30 k feet altitude. The plume he imaged began near to sunset point from his perspective.
And how in the world can a photographer imaging the sunset catch a plane 35 miles to his south at 30 k altitidue so clearly and so large ? Especially when they have focused on the distant sunset plume ? Those images are real bad fakes. And you can rework the process he used. He connected the plane-like object to the plume, then distorted both while connected to the left. The plane object was on a programmed flight path. The plume was moving in the wind. They should not have moved together. Obvious cheap photoshop trick.
Thanks, JHA. Kanawa, you might be interested in this.
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> “Do you personally know something about the mental state of this man? If not it is just dispicable for you to smear him like that. For the sake of making a stupid joke on a chat site.”
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You should be more familiar with this postor by now!
This is not a first.
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The entire contrail has the consistent dark and light pattern. Due to sunlight and self shading. The image from another event from December 31st has a cloud shading parts of its plume. But that is understandable, since it appears to be a plane. Perhaps you are confusing the two.
So, yes, that proves the object is traveling from West to East ~ and we know that because the cirrus clouds in the distance are between the contrail and the Sun over the horizon.
We have low lying clouds all the time here off the coast. Sometimes they even come down to sea level. Called marine layer and fog. Have even seen low lying clouds moving one direction, and higher clouds above them moving in the opposite direction. Welcome to the mountainous coastline of the largest ocean in the world.
I really was hoping our flight would go somewhere else quick!
Right. Just have an estimated distance off the coast. And if you look at our coastline here, you know the statement 35 miles southwest of the coast, is about as ambiguous a location as one can get. What coastal point ?
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> “This is basic “the earth is round” high school physics.”
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No, this is basic shills trying to overpower logic and facts on Freerepublic. Its been going on here for over 13 years.
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Great. A reference point in time. First noticed at 5:15 pm. Said it was filmed for 10 minutes and he stated it was about 35 miles southwest of Los Angeles. So he stopped filming at about 5:25 when the event ended. Plane promoters assume the contrail stopped then. Flight UPS902 was located 50 miles due south of Malibu at 5:30:11 at an altitude of 30,000 feet. In 5 minutes a plane traveling 500-600 mph would have moved about 45 miles. So an event that began about 35 miles southwest of Los Angeles, should have been over the California mainland in 5 minutes time. Yet here we see it took 15 minutes for it to even get due south of Malibu. Now look at a map and draw a line from Long Beach to a point 50 miles south of Malibu. You will notice your viewing angle is about 45 degrees south of due west. Your background would not be anywhere near to the sunset, which was about 5-10 degrees south of due west.
I posted a link to the SiteMonitor site where you can watch every single flight in LA airspace the entire day of the event. If you had bothered to look you would have seen that only two flights between 4:45 to 5:45 even came up from the southwest deep ocean into the Los Angeles basin. Two flights in one hour.
So a plane moving 500-600 mph tracks perfectly with a plume being moved by a sea breeze. Right.
In summary - Incorrect conclusions based on partial data.
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