Posted on 11/10/2010 12:58:10 PM PST by bushpilot1
The Court affirmed Vatell's Law of Nations as a part of US Domestic law on page 37.
"For two centuries we have affirmed that the domestic law of the United States recognizes the law of nations."
They sourced the translated edition of Chitty.
"eE. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Preliminaries §3 (J. Chitty et al. transl. and ed. 1883"
Lets have a look at the Chitty translated edition and see what it says about citizen parents and natural born citizens.
Doesn’t proper grammar require capitalization of explicit proper names? If so there is no disparity that you would point as examples. I too took notice of the lower case spelling in the SCOTUSA decicision. But is the argument to be that SCOTUSA did not know about the spelling as certainly capitalized in the Constitution (at least in my copy) or deliberately chose to negate the words as given in the Constitution? I think not. More likely it could be a not too well educated clerk writing the decision. Of course it is not acceptable for an ordinary citizen to believe Court justices are infallible in their thinking and writings.
Today, yes. In the 18th Century, all nouns, proper or not, were capitalized Look at any sentence in the COnstitution-- all the nouns are capitalized.
Today, yes. In the 18th Century, all nouns, proper or not, were capitalized. Look at any sentence in the COnstitution-- all the nouns are capitalized.
Today, yes. In the 18th Century, all nouns, proper or not, were capitalized. Look at any sentence in the Constitution-- all the nouns are capitalized.
Sorry for the multiple posts— my computer hiccuped.
You have an view of the Constitution based on tenditious interpretations of sources lying outside the Constitution itself which you belive somehow creates this enormous imperative that we drop everything else and focus on your obsession.
I disagree. The nation-ending disaster is not Obama serving out his term, even if he is not qualified to be POTUS based on your interpretation (which, by the way, might be correct). We have survived other illegitimate leaders. In fact I believe at least one did have a similar situation, Chester Arther perhaps?
The nation ending disaster is the fiscal one that we are on the verge of. That is what must be fixed. It’s sad to me that so many conservatives have turned into obsessive/compulsives and are literally willing to see the nation destroyed just to have some fleeting satisfaction of seeing Obama replaced with Biden.
Yes, the Constitution is worth protecting, but we’ve been doing a crap job of it for 60 years. Bush’s entire Presidency was filled with unconstitutional policies, for instance where in the Enumerated Powers is the POTUS and Congress given the power to save Africans from their diseases casused by their sexual practices?
Which do you thin would have bothered Washington more, the USA giving away 150 million dollars to a terrorist group in Palestine *OR* a President being elected whose father was a British subject when he was born? Which do you think would concern him more: the pending bankruptcy of the USA, the 100 Trillion dollars in debt and unfunded mandates, or the Hospital that the POTUS was born in.
Sure, the Constitution to worth protecting. When you fight a war you pick your battles. That’s called strategy. It is a terrible strategy to take our newly minted Congress and send them off on the “validate the 18th Century interpretation of Natural Born and remove Obama from office.”
I’m sorry you can’t see that, but a LOT of very conservative, very Constitution loving, non-RINO, American patriots do. Which is why your desires in this matter are going to be ignored.
We’re playing for all the marbles here and this issue, despite it’s importance to you, is a sideshow.
It is not obsession - it is the constitution, it is to avoid setting a precedent of the usurpation of the presidency.
This is not to drop everything else. This is to stop the destruction at its roots, as opposed to what you obsess with - to fight the symptoms. Who rings up trillions in deficits - more than all previous presidents combined? why do you think we have to fight all these marxist/commie policies? - because you are allowing a usurper to lead the marxists/commies in the fiscal destruction of USA!
Chester Arthur’s usurpation of the presidency was not known when he was serving. Obama’s is known, yet all of you knowingly validate his illegitimacy!
It is not just the interpretation of a few. It was just pointed out where the pres requirement came from yet all you can say is ‘your interpretation’!
Obama will not be replaced with Biden since Biden is hand-picked by the usurper - everything the usurper has signed or appointed/chosen will be null and void.
Removing the usurper is certainly not for the ‘fleeting satisfaction’ of anything, but for the logical, sane way to expell the leader of the fiscal disaster that you so worry about to the exclusion of all else!
So you are saying just because we have not been able to do a good job protecting the constitution for 60 years we should just forget about protecting it now, to the point of letting an ineligible person take over the presidency illegally?
You know it is not just about who obama’s father was - it is about his constitutional eligibility to be POTUS! If he is ineligible then it is totally unacceptable to let him keep the office illegally - it certainly is much more bothersome than USA giving away 150 million dollars to a terrorist group in Palestine - and who gave the money away? the usurper you want to keep up there!
Pending bankruptcy of USA, the 100 Trillion dollars in debt and unfunded mandates are all results of leaving the usurper there! We don’t care where he was born. We just care that he is constitutionally eligible. Can you understand that!?
People like you who distort the factual arguments may wish this issue to be a side show and try hard to convince people to ignore it. But like it or not, this is the main issue that goes to the heart of the matter. Ignore it to your own detriment.
Lets do a hypothetical.
20 years from now, the son of a Chinese citizen arrives on the American political scene. The people adore him. He wins the presidency. After all, We need good relations with China, so this might help. We are behind on payments. He's gold, he was born in San Francisco. Yes, he was the son of a Chinese man, but NBC no longer applies after Obama. Afer all, He is “owed” because we have never had a Chinese president.
The communist Chinese call him up, and tell him to put all naval battle groups in a row, in the pacific. This is his fathers country calling, and he was expecting the call. Secretly , unlike Obama, he thinks Americans are dumb and lazy, and need an ass whupping for defaulting and screwing his fathers country, his country. In act, they need a good beotch slapping.
He lines up all battle groups within a 10 miles radius.
China Nukes the battle groups with one single nuke. All our soldiers are stranded in Iran.
Our Chinese president goes on TV, and he pretends to be in shock at the horror. He orders all troops to stand down to avoid further conflict until diplomacy can heal the divide.
The next day, tanks roll in through Los Angeles, Washington and NY, with the Chinese army is collecting what is owed and burning every house.
While this is happening, Our president publicly begs China to stop. He gets on the phone in private, and congratulates his compatriots. They stop, and our president thanks them, publicly, for heeding his calls for peace. He then gets the Nobel peace prize.
Our quaint, outdated and old constitution used to forbid this possibility before Obama came along.
“Millions of Americans scream out in horror
OH GEEZE NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! “
They say that about everything they’re completely ignorant on. Half the nation doesn’t even know what the Constitution says. The other half knows just enough to be DANGEROUS.
The reason we’re in this MESS to begin with is all the trampling of the simple rules put in place by intelligent framers 220+ years ago. It starts with qualifications, then works its way down from there. And it’s evident most dingbats in this nation would rather eat McDonald’s food and watch porn on cable or sat TV than understand why the hell we even have the Constitution to begin with.
Nothing will change until we reqlinquish our ignorance to our history and accept certain inalienable truths. I’ll cite so many references to breaking these truths and trace them to the fiasco we’re in now so much so it will make your head explode.
Keep downplaying the shredding of the Constitution. It’s simply a fool’s errand, one which reveals your complete lack of respect for its law.
Do I understand this correctly? If so, why is this not being said over and over with these links, or did I miss something?
You understand this perfectly. The birth certificate is irrelevant. Obama is not, never was, and never will be, eligible to hold the office of president of the USA.
Every world leader knows this, enemies and allies. Every Democrat and Republican in the Senate and House of Representatives knows this. Every state legislator in the 50 states knows this. Every state governor knows this. Every media pundit knows this.
Now you know this.
Sleep well.
Check yourself, AC. You’ve been here for a year. I’ve been here since 1998. 12 years. If you want to know about my handle you could read my home page. We don’t disagree on goals, we don’t even disagree on Obama’s eligibility.
I put a lot less emphasis on the law as our savior. The law has not been kind to us for the last 30 to 40 years. Who do you think will judge your theory of Obama eligibility? Looking forward to a 5-4 decision in the Supreme Court. Are you that confident in Justice Kennedy? I’m not. And the current status of the dozens of eligibility cases indicate that my misgivings are well founded.
What is you optimism founded on?
Or are you putting you faith in the Senate? They did SO WELL with the cut and dry Clinton case, I can understand that. NOT! Do you really think there are 66 votes there to convict and remove Obama?
Of course there are not. Dream on. And while you are dreaming try to consider the effect you suggested course of action will have on the critical, easily swayed 15% of voters who just voted for the GOP. Think they will understand your points under the withering attack from the NY Times, all the news networks (probably including Fox), and their daily newspaper.
Politics ain’t beanbag brother. It’s great to have standards and positions, but I’m in it for the long haul.
If you are still here in 2021 you can buy me a beer. Until then I’ll take your opinions with a grain of salt.
I have doubts about Obama’s eligibility too.
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