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To: GOPJ

“what’s your take? What do you think is causing the attitude problem?”

I don’t know exactly. However, in my personal experiences I do perceive that foreign-born blacks often have a more positive attitude about education and business than American=born blacks. Some kind of defeatist holdover from the Jim Crow era?


215 posted on 11/10/2010 3:17:22 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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Here's something to think about - I'll share the mystery of great hockey players at the end...

3. In what way are our explanations of success "crude?"

That's a bit of a puzzle because we certainly don't lack for interest in the subject. If you go to the bookstore, you can find a hundred success manuals, or biographies of famous people, or self-help books that promise to outline the six keys to great achievement. (Or is it seven?) So we should be pretty sophisticated on the topic. What I came to realize in writing Outliers, though, is that we've been far too focused on the individual—on describing the characteristics and habits and personality traits of those who get furthest ahead in the world. And that's the problem, because in order to understand the outlier I think you have to look around them—at their culture and community and family and generation. We've been looking at tall trees, and I think we should have been looking at the forest.

4. Can you give some examples?

Sure. For example, one of the chapters looks at the fact that a surprising number of the most powerful and successful corporate lawyers in New York City have almost the exact same biography: they are Jewish men, born in the Bronx or Brooklyn in the mid-1930's to immigrant parents who worked in the garment industry. Now, you can call that a coincidence. Or you can ask—as I do—what is about being Jewish and being part of the generation born in the Depression and having parents who worked in the garment business that might have something to do with turning someone into a really, really successful lawyer? And the answer is that you can learn a huge amount about why someone reaches the top of that profession by asking those questions.

5. Doesn't that make it sound like success is something outside of an individual's control?

I don't mean to go that far. But I do think that we vastly underestimate the extent to which success happens because of things the individual has nothing to do with. Outliers opens, for example, by examining why a hugely disproportionate number of professional hockey and soccer players are born in January, February and March. I'm not going to spoil things for you by giving you the answer. But the point is that very best hockey players are people who are talented and work hard but who also benefit from the weird and largely unexamined and peculiar ways in which their world is organized. I actually have a lot of fun with birthdates in Outliers. Did you know that there's a magic year to be born if you want to be a software entrepreneur? And another magic year to be born if you want to be really rich? In fact, one nine year stretch turns out to have produced more Outliers than any other period in history. It's remarkable how many patterns you can find in the lives of successful people, when you look closely.

6. What's the most surprising pattern you uncovered in the book?

It's probably the chapter nearly the end of Outliers where I talk about plane crashes. How good a pilot is, it turns out, has a lot to do with where that pilot is from—that is, the culture he or she was raised in. I was actually stunned by how strong the connection is between culture and crashes, and it's something that I would never have dreamed was true, in a million years.

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The reason the best hockey players are born in the beginning of the year is because in their formative years ( grade school, junior high etc - they have the advantage of being older and stronger than kids born in October etc. Eight months of development matters when a person is young.

The pilot thing you'll have to get the book for - it's such a hoot - you'll never guess it on your own. But there is - or WAS - a cultural cause of plane crashes. If you don't want to read the book, I'll tell you... On race issues, we really need to think outside the box. There's a reason blacks who are born here don't do as well - and that reason needs to be identified. Seems Gladwell touched on it - but I felt it was one of his less insightful parts... He's very much part of that dynamic - being from a black family from ... not sure - think it's Jamaica.

http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/index.html

216 posted on 11/10/2010 3:56:58 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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