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California's Central Valley To Be First Section Of High Speed Rail System
FODHS ^ | November 8, 2010 | G King

Posted on 11/08/2010 9:20:18 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom

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To: ColdOne

Yes it is!


41 posted on 11/08/2010 11:12:01 PM PST by oldteen
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To: oldteen; Willie Green

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Chattanooga Choo Choo - Glenn Miller Orchestra


42 posted on 11/08/2010 11:15:17 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Eventually the final first phase will be an 800 mile trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco.

And what out of the way routes are included in those 800 miles? What am I missing here?

Last trip I made driving from SF to LA was 382 miles.

43 posted on 11/08/2010 11:17:10 PM PST by oldteen
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To: Liberty Valance
Evenin' LV!

How ya been?

44 posted on 11/08/2010 11:18:04 PM PST by oldteen
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To: Greysard
They voted for this because they thought the state had to balance their budget. They didn't think that the state budget was phony.
45 posted on 11/08/2010 11:19:34 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Thats just crazy.


46 posted on 11/08/2010 11:19:45 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ColdOne

Yep. They will have to shut it down due to the dust from the desert I mean former farms.


47 posted on 11/08/2010 11:23:54 PM PST by Domangart
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Will you have to go through the TSA “Grope and Poke” to get on the train?


48 posted on 11/08/2010 11:32:16 PM PST by abigkahuna (screw em all)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I also say drill for all our oil and build more nukes.

I'm with you on both points and have been for years. Unfortunately, peak oil production in this country was 1970. Even if we have every off-shore location, ANWR, the shale oil in Colorado, and a pipeline from the tar sands in Alberta, we cannot produce enough oil at an acceptable cost to meet our needs. That is a simple geological reality. All the cheap oil has been found. Everything from here on out is going to cost more and involve more risk and uncertainty.

We can build more nuclear plants and should have been doing so for the last three decades, but we cannot build enough of them fast enough. Wind and solar? Forget about it. The "renewable energy sources" are mainly fantasies and wishful thinking.

Here's the bottom line: we use 70 percent of our oil for transportation, and over 95 percent of our transportation depends on oil. Natural gas works for large vehicles, but the tanks are too big for compact cars. Hydrogen fuel cell technology is like cold fusion, a mix of laboratory fact and science fiction.

There are no good answers out there. We can conserve and be more efficient, but we can't go buy hybrids and electric vehicles and think we can continue business as usual. The Obama administration, incredibly, is stuck in the past, trying to resurrect failed auto companies rather than seeing reality as it is unfolding. The best for which we can hope is that American corporations can drill where the best prospects are, build as many nuclear plants as possible, rebuild the freight railroad system, and do the R&D that will give us some options down the road.

The U.S. Military is very concerned about fuel availability in the next five years and the lack of capital commitments to finding it, as expressed in the Joint Operation Environment (JOE) report in March of this year. They see the period of 2012 to 2015 as critical in terms of supply. The German military has essentially the same viewpoint.

One thing is certain: getting to work each day and getting from one city to another is going to take more time and more money in the future.

49 posted on 11/08/2010 11:38:31 PM PST by Dark Fired Tobacco
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To: Dark Fired Tobacco

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50 posted on 11/08/2010 11:48:56 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Army Air Corps

Should be called the “Smelt Runner”. Since our own government shut down thousands of fields, put thousands our of work, created another “Dust Bowl”. the crowning glory of the Enviro crowd will be so ZIP through the deadlands. May they starve and get ecoli from other nations foods on their way to nirvana.


51 posted on 11/08/2010 11:57:31 PM PST by Semperfiwife (How Ba-roke can you go??)
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To: abigkahuna

The “high speed” train would be a great terrorist target. The same security measures that we have at airports will be required for the train.


52 posted on 11/09/2010 12:15:20 AM PST by NorseWood
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To: oldteen

The route goes through Reno and Las Vegas. Reid got to pick it to pay back the folks who voted for him.


53 posted on 11/09/2010 12:40:22 AM PST by alpo
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To: alpo
So, let me get this straight....

If I wanted to go from Reno to SF..I'd have to travel to LV...on to LA...and then to SF?

54 posted on 11/09/2010 12:55:20 AM PST by oldteen
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To: oldteen

Sf - Reno - LV - LA

LA - LV - Reno - SF

This way you avoid Snail Darters, too. /s


55 posted on 11/09/2010 1:09:45 AM PST by alpo
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To: onona

It is actually possible to drive from Reno to Las Vegas in nearly the same time as a flight.
Driving is MUCH more convenient in the long run.

The flight in “only an hour”, except, you have to get to the airport, find a place to park, arrive an hour early, get your bags checked, pass security (several times), wait to board, finally take off, fly, arrive, find your bags, take a shuttle, get a car.
Total time, about four hours, on a good day.

I have made the drive at night in five hours, more than once.
Before the Fed. blackmailed us into adopting their mandated speed limits this was legal and could be done more safely, in daylight.

BILLIONS for a hight speed short line shuttle rail is insane.


56 posted on 11/09/2010 1:27:10 AM PST by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

15 minutes? I’d take the train to work if it saved me time to arrive there.


57 posted on 11/09/2010 1:33:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Loyal Sedition

I consider two hours to be a good drive for me.... if I want to go further, a train would make good sense.

But that’s not most of the country. America is not uniformly populated like Europe and Japan. There taking a train really allows you to see more than you would with a car.

Running an empty train through a deserted rural corridor doesn’t make any financial sense.


58 posted on 11/09/2010 1:50:45 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: oldteen
A decision has so far been made to send the train from LA to Palmdale en route to Bakersfield. That will require tunnels between Palmdale and Bakersfield.

Here is the map of the proposed system. As you can see on the map, it made too much sense to go direct from LA to Bakersfield.


59 posted on 11/09/2010 3:04:12 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Loyal Sedition
And if you take a look at this map, note the estimated completion date of 2020 for the Chinese high speed train system.

The 60 miles section to be started in California will not be completed until 2017. The rest will not be completed in our lifetime (that's anybody lifetime that is reading this).


60 posted on 11/09/2010 3:10:08 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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