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To: WhiskeyX

Lotta talk coming before the horse there. If Obama doesn’t have a Valid US birth certificate, then all your talk is moot.

And he’s yet to provide one.


90 posted on 11/06/2010 9:27:01 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

“If Obama doesn’t have a Valid US birth certificate, then all your talk is moot.”

The Obama supporters use the birth certificate issue, valid though it may very well be, as a misleading argument or red herring to avoid public notice of the obvious natural born issue. Obama may have a real birth certificate. Obama may have two or three real birth certificates. He could have one birth certificate issued from his actual birth at the Coastline hospital in Mombasa, Kenya; another birth certificate issued by Canada from his mother’s filing for the child claiming birth of a British Commonwealth citizen overseas in a British Commonwealth state; and a Hawaiian birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii from a birth registration form filed by Madelyn Dunham to falsely report a child born to Hawaiian citizen and/or resident parents while outside of Hawaii.

According to the divorce papers filed by Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, Barack Hussein Obama I married her in a Muslim wedding ceremony on Maui at the beginning of 1961, about two months into her pregnancy. It is reported that her parents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham received an angry letter from the father of barack Hussein Obama I complaining about Stanley Ann’s marriage to his son corrupting his family’s bloodline. Barack Hussein Obama I already had a wife and child/children in Kenya, and the elder Obama was adamant that the Dunham girl was not going to be accepted into the Obama family.

Witnesses and records indicate the couple did not live together, despite the marriage reported in the divorce papers. Barack Hussein Obama I had an apartment just off of the university campus, and Stanlye Ann appears to have lived with her parents at least until about March 1961. After that date, her exact whereabouts become uncertain until she returns to view in Seattle, Washington at the end of August 1961 along with her newborn child.

It is reported by one or more of Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama’) friends that she wanted to persuade the Obama family to accept her and her child as Barack Hussein Obama’s second wife. According to reports of conversations with Stanley Ann’s friends and the Obama family in Kenya, Stanley Ann traveled to Kenya for the purpose of persuading her husband’s father to accept her into the Obama family before the birth of her child.

barack Hussein Obama I returned to school in the United States in the Fall of 1961 without his wife and newborn child. Members of the Obama family are reported to have been present at the birth of her child at the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in early August, 1961. She evidently failed to persuade the Obama family or the father of her child to accept her and the child, because she finally comes back into the public records in Seattle, Washington with her newborn baby. She and the baby do not live with Barack Hussein Obama I at any time from this event at the end of August 1961 to the subsequent divorce.

The existence of a birth certificate issued in Kenya has been rreported and is quite possible.

There are unsubstantiated reports of a Canadian birth certificate. If one does exist, it could be explained as a document issued upon application as an unverified birth of a child in a British Commonwealth citizen at an overseas location. Stanley could have sought such a document to make it easier to take her newborn child through U.S. customs at some place like Blaine, Washington while enroute to Seattle, Washington. Canadian citizens, especially a newborn child accompanied by a U.S. citizen mother can cross the U.S. border without a visa, whereas a non-Canadian baby would be required to have a U.S. issued visa to do so. Having a Canadian birth certificate issued for the child would have made it a quick and simple means of taking her foreign born and foreign citizen child into the United States.

Obtaining a Hawaiian birth certificate would have been one of the esiest steps to take. Madelyn Dunham was already accustomed to working with legal documentation. It would have been a simple task for to pick up a birth registration form at the Department of Health and fill it out as a family member on behalf of her daughter to report the birth of her daughter’s child while they were overseas.

Hawaiian law permitted such birth registrations, if both of the parents were citizens and/or residents of Hawaii for the required period of time. Whoever filled out the birth registration form had to lie and falsify that information to satisfy the citizenship and residency requirement, but Hawaii did not verify such information. instead, such a birth certificate was issued with information indicating the reported birth is unverified by the State of Hawaii. This would explain why the original birth certificate is being withheld from a public disclosure which would make its falsified information and falsified citizenship immediately apparent.

If, however, Stanley Ann gave birth to her child in the State of Washington, her child could have been born with native born U.S. citizenship, without natural born citizenship, and have a falsified Hawaiian birth certificate. But, someone would have to explain why there is no birth certificate on file for her child in the State of Washington or elsewhere in the United States.

In the end, however, no matter how many valid or falsified birth certificates may exist for Barack Hussein Obama II, he was born with British citizenship because his fathr was a British citizen. The Founding Fathers put the natural born citizen qualification into the U.S. Constitution for the express purpose of denying anyone born with British citizenship after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution any eligibility to the Office of the President. it makes no difference whasoever whether Obama does have a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii, because he is not anatural born citizen with or without the Hawaiian birth certificate.


101 posted on 11/06/2010 1:35:08 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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