Posted on 11/05/2010 10:03:31 AM PDT by Qbert
They are spouting shrill hysterical hyperbole at best.
Essentially true. Public Schools exist to preach the doctrine of the state; to fortify and cement its power. This was not always the case.
When Jefferson first proposed what eventually became the basic structural organization of American Education, the intent was quite something different. (“It is an axiom in my mind that our liberty can never be safe but in the hands of the people themselves, and that too, of the people with a certain degree of instruction.” - Jefferson, letter to George Washington, January 4, 1786)
During the course of the Twentieth Century (and, we must believe, during at least some of the Ninteenth) Education has come to be thought of simply as part of government’s ministry of information, to be controlled by government’s bureaucracy. Something Jefferson, and his generation, would have never thought possible.
With privately contracted schools there is little or no change in the pool of students, pool of available teachers, or pool of available administrators.
It will be the same people just in slightly different roles and with differnt oversight mechanisms.
As for homeschooling, it would take a monumental cultural shift to accomplish ‘mandated’ homeschooling since I don’t see any way that homeschooling would ever catch on as a hugely popular alternative. Too many changes in culture to see that happen even in one generation.
And I’ll bet that you know some people who absolutely should not homeschool their kids. It just wouldn’t get done. And I happen to personally know a guy who’s mother homeschooled him and his sis. He has about a third grade equivalency and has been in prison. His sis is more productive and less trouble but she had to overcome her homeschooling before she could start her career.
Spouting platitudes only sounds thoughtful in a superficial way. Your anti public school diatribes are very superficial.
BTW, I’ve put 4 kids through highschool and have 4 more still to go. I’ve use public school, private school, and partial homeschooling at different times. I’ve had kids in 9 different school sysstems in 5 differnt states and I have personally worked for and with public and private schools.
Every social problem you can think of is in both private and public schools. Neither have a corner on apathetic parents, medicated teachers, overmedicated students, drugs, sex, violence, etc etc etc.
Parochial schools can have severe problems due to dogma that goes in tangents. They can be some of hte mose coercive of any school system.
Private schools can be more liberal than you would possibly imagine, and that goes up into private universities.
You’re simplistic approach solves nothing and really doesn’t even appear thoughtful except to a few whackos who consider public school parents to be murderous monsters, and I don’t even take those people seriously.
Every government school in this nation ( **ALL** of them!) teach every class from a godless perspective. ALL government schools in this nation hand out godless textbooks with a godlessly secular worldview. **ALL** government schools send home godless homework and assignments.
ALL of them!
And... every home owner, business owner, and renter is FORCED by way of police threat to pay for the godless indoctrination of our nation's children and the establishment of the government godlessly secular religious worldview.
Every person who buys any product or service in this nation pays indirectly for this establishment of godlessness. The taxes that support the establishment of government school godlessness are hidden in the price of **every** product and service that anyone buys here in the United States
Can some parents over come this tsunami of godless sewage washing over their kids every minute of every school day? Yes, but it takes a ton of afterschooling and review of all the reading material and assignments sent home. It is **FAR** easier to simple homeschool from the beginning.
Finally...Do some teachers and principals sneak in a little Christian thinking into the government school day? Yes, they do. What are they teaching the kids when they do this?
Answer:
Teachers and principals who attempt to sneak in a little Christianity into the godless government schools teach the children that Christians are sneaky.
Dial it down. My goodness. I told my parents multiple times that my math work was of the devil, but they did not buy it.
Do you ever leave the house? Do you buy anything?
good post.
YOU'RE fine, but the country's circling the toilet drain.
Maybe you're not as "fine" as you think?
You have effectively stated that I am too “dialed up”. Gee! Are you suggesting that a person shouldn't be “dialed up” about the godless and socialist indoctrination of our nation's children??? Huh? I would think that it would be irrational not to be “dialed up” about that...but...It is evident from your posts that the godless indoctrination of our nation's children doesn't get you “dialed up”.
You are seriously asking if I buy anything? Yes, I do. And...When I do I am very well aware that some of the money charged for that product or service reflects the business property taxes going to fund the government establishment of a godless secular religious worldview.
As for math...It is clear that you have not had a God-centered education. If you did, you would fully understand that the very existence of math and its principles are one of God's creations and is a reflection of His glory. To neglect teaching this important God-centered principle has just as many religious consequences as including it.
In other words: It is **impossible** to have a religiously neutral education. The government should get out of it and we should move to a completely private system of universal education.
“I view public schools as government churches.”
Public schools are the madrassas of American Socialism - an increasingly fundamentalist and extreme version of which has long monopolized the Faculties of Education.
The dismantling of government-run school systems will be the first clear sign that socialism can be defeated in America.
Reason: It is better to allow the personal insults from the government school defenders to remain for all to see.
Govt education is, second only to abortion, the most pernicious evil in this country.
the number of apologists for it on this board is disheartening.
You have to be joking. Seriously? This is how you debate and share ideas? What “personal insults”?. My goodness your vicious.
This is why young liberals use such over-the-top, violent rhetoric when "discussing" these issues.
Liberals love to point out how, particularly with gay marriage, how attitudes are drastically different between young and old (as if attitudes never change over time), and that change, aquiescence is inevitable because young people believe something. That scares the hell out me.
If we don't kill it now, we'll face our own great leap forward.
LOL, that's what they all say.
There are something like over 100 "Schools of Excellence" in my state alone, a state that usually battles Mississippi for 50th place.
I guess if you are too lazy or ill equipped to look beyond the puffery then you won’t find anything of value anywhere.
It's the guilt.
I feel for them in a way: it's hard to sacrifice my own wants (and some needs) to come up with the $22K/yr for my kids' secondary education, along with the $2750 in school taxes stolen from me for the crappy public schools. I realize not everyone can do that.
Do you have a clue what goes on in some private schools that don't have public scrutiny or have to please a community?
In private schools the parents can sign up for any sort of indocrtrination they want with no strings attached and no limits.
LOL, I found something of great value to me, something for which I'm willing to sacrifice, greatly.
You're the one who settles for what's "free."
Holy crap, you're dense. Don't you think I went to school? My parents? My sisters? Friends, college classmates, co-workers, neighbors? I went to one public school and three private schools, one private and one state university, and one state university graduate school. Many of my fellow grad students were education majors, getting their teaching certificates to teach in public schools. I taught in a public middle school, and have substituted at three Catholic private schools. My children attend a Catholic private, at which my wife teaches along with many former public school teachers.
I am quite comfortable with my level of knowledge regarding the education system.
In private schools the parents can sign up for any sort of indocrtrination they want with no strings attached and no limits.
OMG, FREEDOM!!??
Apparently you're unaware of the accreditation process.
Interesting that you decry your perception of public schools’ liberal agenda yet praise the same in private school under the guise of freedom.
Interesting.
Also proves what most of us knew about education majors in general, bottom of the academic pool, lowest SAT/ACT scores of any major.
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