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To: Colofornian
Either these "social conservatives" are too stupid to ever learn, or they are Democrat plants. Every time they stick one of their single-issue ultimatums on the ballot, the commies show up to vote in record numbers, and every conservative candidate suffers. Below is part of a discussion from several days ago of this same idiotic practice.

Were this election strictly about "social" issues, I don't believe we would be faring so well.

That's correct.

While a great majority of citizens believe in God and support "social" issues, the vast majority believe (rightfully) that it is not the place of government to legislate morality. The past fifty years or so of attempting to make "social" issues into political issues has been detrimental to both our society and politics. That's a fact. Otherwise, our politics would be Constitution based, our economy would be fiscally sound, and our culture would be morally sound. "Social" conservative politics has been a disaster all around.

Ironically, when our Constitutional republican form of government is upheld, and when the Constitution is used as the base for political debate, the moral health of the society is promoted by default. Without a nanny state, Uncle Sugar, government as father and caretaker, without lifestyles and government business conducted under a train load of debt, citizens are pressed to adhere to some semblance of civilized behavior and fiscal prudence within their communities, in order to survive and prosper within those communities.

6 posted on 11/03/2010 6:34:19 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
Either these "social conservatives" are too stupid to ever learn, or they are Democrat plants. Every time they stick one of their single-issue ultimatums on the ballot, the commies show up to vote in record numbers, and every conservative candidate suffers.

So you're saying legal abortion is a commie practice which shouldn't be opposed? Which side are you on?

I'm not positive the data back up your claim. On the national level, strict pro-lifers are twice as numerous as strict pro-choicers as far as likely voter polls tell us. Personhood also does relatively well in Dem strongholds like Pueblo.

The past fifty years or so of attempting to make "social" issues into political issues has been detrimental to both our society and politics. That's a fact. Otherwise, our politics would be Constitution based, our economy would be fiscally sound, and our culture would be morally sound. "Social" conservative politics has been a disaster all around.

No morally sound culture allows legal abortion. Fifty years ago, abortion was illegal. It is left-wingers who have made this a political fight. You're advocating surrender to a leftist agenda that warps the constitution to invent a right for a doctor to kill an unborn baby.

Perhaps social conservatism is only a disaster because it keeps allying itself with false friends and saboteurs instead of taking the battle to the enemy within the Democratic Party.

The Personhood backers in Colorado don't play well with others and get annoyingly purist. But I'll side with them over anybody who rants about how stupid their positions are.

21 posted on 11/03/2010 4:28:50 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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To: meadsjn
While a great majority of citizens believe in God and support "social" issues, the vast majority believe (rightfully) that it is not the place of government to legislate morality.

Utter ignorance on your part. The government regulates morality every day.

Laws on the books for...
...murder
...theft
...fraud
...bigamy
...robbery
...etc.
...all reflect somebody's morality...
...unless you think murder, theft, etc. are amoral -- and you can simply "take it" or "leave it" whether you engage in that behavior.

The past fifty years or so of attempting to make "social" issues into political issues has been detrimental to both our society and politics. That's a fact.

That's just your opinion. The "fact" is that everything these days is politicized by somebody -- and most often it's the other side that has politicized the social dimension ...haven't you realized that? or do you have your head in some beach sand somewhere?

Let me give you an example: Corporate bathrooms have become an issue with transgenders and transexuals. Now who politicized that? Conservatives? (No way)

Who politicized the womb? Conservatives? (No way) The womb is suppose to be the most basic private sanctuary on this planet. But when a group of blood-thirsty, $-making, and feminists overwhelm publicly attempt to overwhelm the womb, we have two choices: We can either let the pre-born babies absorb the onslaught all by themselves, or we can become their advocates. It's that simple.

11 Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. 12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done? (Prov. 24:11-12)

Every time they stick one of their single-issue ultimatums on the ballot, the commies show up to vote in record numbers, and every conservative candidate suffers.

Let's say for a moment this is so. If conservatives can't get more excited and passionate and zealous about protecting those most vulnerable in our society, and turn out in record numbers exceeding those "commies show[ing] up in record numbers" because of their blood-thirstiness over the womb, then I could easily see God saying, "Hey, these conservatives deserve what they get."

25 posted on 11/03/2010 9:46:14 PM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: meadsjn

Your post is a steaming pile of bovine excrement.


33 posted on 11/04/2010 6:52:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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