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To: blasater1960
Thank you for posting the ONLY legitimate answer to this article. Since FReepers are so fascinated by Jews they forget it was their own the elected Obama. I guess everyone needs a scapegoat.

Wonder why Jews will never fully trust anything related to the "cross?" Because throughout its history, it has been a sign/symbol of persecution and death. Now we have a new batch NT followers that say "trust us" as their forefathers did. Why should we?

68 posted on 10/27/2010 9:34:51 PM PDT by papabrody (Proud member of the International Jewish Conspiracy)
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To: papabrody
Now we have a new batch NT followers that say "trust us" as their forefathers did.

Exactly...Church biblical fads are a fickle thing. It is currently "in" to support Israel among the evangelical crowd but for how long? Oh and thanks for the kind comments.

69 posted on 10/27/2010 10:12:44 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: papabrody; jjotto; blasater1960
As a former Fundamentalist Protestant chr*stian myself, I think the three of you are missing something. American (non-Orthodox) Jews do not fear/dislike all chr*stian equally. They specifically fear/dislike the most pro-Jewish, pro-Israel chr*stians--the very ones who associate Jews and Israel with the Bible. Fundamentalist Protestant Blacks and traditionalist Catholic Hispanics (who support the PLO as fellow "oppressed people of color") are treated almost as co-religionists, their chr*stianity forgotten. Why is this?

The previous two thousand years of chr*stian persecution (during which time American-style Fundamentalist Protestants simply did not exist) are often invoked as an explanation for the distrust of chr*stianity, yet when a pro-Israel Fundamentalist pastor who is so pro-Jewish he has been accused of heresy (John Hagee) attacks the Catholic Church suddenly all this is forgotten and liberal Jews become the great friends, allies, and protectors of Roman Catholicism! How does one explain this?

My own theory is that liberal Jews attack pro-Jewish Fundamentalists specifically because they do not wish Jews or Judaism to be associated with the Bible at all, or with the simple-minded trailer park dwelling morons who believe in universal floods, magical staffs, talking donkeys, and "dry bones" coming together. Liberal Jews would literally prefer to be hated by such people because that would reinforce their worldview of Judaism being three thousand years of leftist political dissent, iconoclastic nihilism, and Nobel physics prizes. With such a self-definition the prospect of some overweight twanging bumpkin bouncing towards one with hearts in his eyes is most unpleasant. (Before anyone gets mad at me, I wish to confess that I am myself an overweight, twanging bumpkin.)

I became a Noachide not because I believed in leftist political dissent, iconoclastic nihilism, and Nobel physics prizes but because I believe in the True Jewish G-d. I have up my religious beliefs for Him. I gave up chr*stmas for Him (and don't think December isn't painful around here). I believe that the Jewish People, despite all appearances, are still underneath it all the fire-breathing, righteous, rustic Theocratic warrior-shepherds they were three thousand years ago. I am sorry if this disappoints anyone, but I fell in love with Biblical Israel, not the Weimar Republic, and the idea that so many Jews cling to the latter rather than the former as the root of their self-definition drives me absolutely up the wall.

The fact that the debate is about "why should Jews vote for chr*stians" illustrates the problem. Jews should not "vote for chr*stians." Jews have been authorized to war against all false "gxds" and idols and to even implicitly endorse one would be a betrayal of that mission. Vote for HaShem! Vote for Torah! Vote for Noachide morality! Get the "chr*stians" out of your heads! What are they even doing in there? FCOL, in 1996 Rabbi 'Avigdor Miller (zt"l), one of the greatest Sages of the time, told Rabbi Yehuda Levin to support Pat Buchanan for President because of his moral stands! This country is full of people who, imperfect though they are, are certainly better than Pat Buchanan! What's the deal?

Finally, may I add that among all this "look at how bigoted and oppressive those awful chr*stians are" the real message against chr*stianity is being lost. Chr*stianity only theoretically worships a "one true G-d." In actual practice it is a radically henotheistic religion, every locality, culture, and ethnic group (no matter how mutually antagonistic) adopting J*sus as their own local tribal deity. One can see this even on FR, with all the talk of "western civilization" and "our culture" and "foreign religions" and the implication that everyone in America should believe in the American religion. Yet all this is being ignored while Jews debate about whether they should "support chr*stians!"

How about Jews do their duty??? How about they vote the way HaShem commands? How about everything else being forgotten?

118 posted on 10/28/2010 8:54:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ve'Avraham zaqen ba' bayamim; veHaShem berakh 'et-'Avraham bakol.)
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