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Democrats Tout Libertarian to Peel Votes From Kirk
http://online.wsj.com ^ | 10-25-2010 | By Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 10/25/2010 2:25:15 PM PDT by Maelstorm

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To: SmartInsight

No, that’s not how it would work at all.

That “hold your nose” is what has gotten us into this mess.

The way out is to have Conservatives always.

Always Conservatives.

America is 40% Conservative
40% Moderate
20% Liberal.

We put a good Conservative there every time, and we’d win against the Liberal more often than not.

Easy math for you.


21 posted on 10/25/2010 3:03:59 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Springfield Reformer

So how does keeping a pro-abortion Democrat Congress promote pro-life?

You have to consider the CONSEQUENCES of your vote, which IS the Dems keeping power.


22 posted on 10/25/2010 3:04:07 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: SmartInsight

Do the names Olympia Snowe, Arlin Specter, and Susan Collins ring a bell? When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...... What this nation does not need is another one of those.

Note the Kirk ad calling himself “Mr. Independent” and touting “His record is in the exact center”.

A centrist is code for LIBERAL. He lies, voted for cap and trade, opposes gun rights, supports abortion, higher minimum wage, etc. NO THANKS.


23 posted on 10/25/2010 3:04:17 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Here we go again.


24 posted on 10/25/2010 3:04:48 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Mark Kirk "republican" Illinois, not no but HELL NO!)
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To: 1cewolf

No. Long after the nations have battled themselves into the dust, and all the political ideas that ever were or could ever be have been tried and traded in for another, my eternal soul, and yours, will continue on. Humans are not like the animals, with only this one life to get right. We have to win on both fronts, because for us, some consequences will never stop reverberating down the alabaster halls of eternity. I refuse to deliberately commit an act I believe to be sin, and a grievous sin at that, and voting for Kirk would be just such a sin. I have no choice but to vote otherwise and leave the consequences to God.


25 posted on 10/25/2010 3:08:31 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Graybeard58

Labno has my vote since he’s the most conservative candidate in the race. Mark Kirk can K.M.A/

That’s what the primaries are for. You should have worked harder to get Labno elected. So it is your fault. Now you will help Obama, your fault again.


26 posted on 10/25/2010 3:11:27 PM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad,)
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To: Maelstorm

Rasmussen Wednesday, October 20, 2010

Kirk 44%
Giannoulias 40%
Green Party LeAlan Jones 4%
8% prefer some other candidate and 5% are undecided.


27 posted on 10/25/2010 3:15:32 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Maelstorm
Here is David McAloon speaking at a Tea Party Express Rally. He has endorsed Mike Labno and is the Director of the Tea Party of Illinois.
28 posted on 10/25/2010 3:19:36 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: SmartInsight

God and I are worried about what I do with *my* vote, not with what the dems do with *their* votes. You are arguing I should sell my soul by sanctioning one child-destroying politician to prevent the election of another child-destroying politician. In either case, the children will still die. The only difference will be that I would have given my support to one of the child-killers.

Not.going.to.happen.

We’ve been getting maneuvered by these incremental departures from principle so long we’ve gotten used to it, but this is how it all started, the great , gradual descent into political Hades, one small step at a time, one small piece of our souls at at time.

Do whatever you think is right. Kirk will not have my vote. Period.


29 posted on 10/25/2010 3:22:48 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Graybeard58

Yes. I also know that Scott Brown, who voted in-state for Romneycare, ran successfully as the 41st vote against Obamacare.


30 posted on 10/25/2010 3:26:46 PM PDT by 1cewolf (Duty, honor, excellence.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Thanks Maelstorm.
Only on the last panel do readers see Democratic Senate candidate Alexi Giannoulias. "While Labno and Kirk fight over labels, Alexi Giannoulias is fighting for Illinois jobs."

31 posted on 10/25/2010 3:29:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I agree. Voting for Kirk-types is EXACTLY why we are in the mess to begin with and some people here want to continue that! This is the EXACT same argument that gave Pennsylvania Arlen Specter and gave California Ahhhhhnold.

How’s that working for everyone?

Principle DOES matter.


32 posted on 10/25/2010 3:29:54 PM PDT by battletank
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To: Springfield Reformer
Do whatever you think is right. Kirk will not have my vote. Period.

AMEN, for all the reasons you mentioned, plus he was one of the eight Republican idiots that voted for cap and trade. It pains me not to vote Republican in that race, but I just can't do it.

33 posted on 10/25/2010 3:32:13 PM PDT by Marathoner (The only reaching across the aisle I want to see is to smack the bejeebers out of someone.)
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To: Maelstorm

the old democrat routine - split the republican vote and put a democrat crook in office.


34 posted on 10/25/2010 3:35:09 PM PDT by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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To: truthfreedom

I’ve not heard anything yet. I think it was like the poll conducted prior to the primary. We can be certain the race is closing. The question is by how much and how fast. I think Christine wins because she was hammered so hard and so extremely that it has resulted in Coons now being left with everything to lose and right now the major press is focusing on his record in this last week. That is a good thing. I’m hoping for a Rasmussen poll. I do think we Christine will take DE. She is taking 14% of Democrats in the poll and she is sympathetic and has the advantage of being able to solidify her base. I think she wins if that happens. CT we have a small chance. I figure Carly has a real shot in CA. Meg (gov) will lose because she effectively neutralized herself with her own money. We will take WV, CO, KY, WI, PA, FL, NV, OH, WA. I won’t be surprised if there isn’t a come from nowhere upset in one of the races that people think is so safe that Democrats don’t show up. I don’t think we will need Kirk and truthfully he is the worst. He’s not a moderate, he’s a liberal. The sad thing is that even now the latest poll I’ve seen shows both major party candidates falling back under 40% and the third parties gaining. 19% are undecided or weakly aligned. The worst part is we who are the Tea Party are letting this Senate Seat slip away as well as a chance to hammer the establishment. If Mike Labno had $100,000 dollars he could’ve won this race but far too many of us are cowards. All talk no balls. This year the profile in Illinois was primed for a real Tea Party candidate and the hours are slipping away into history.


35 posted on 10/25/2010 3:35:22 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Maelstorm

Republicans should tout the Green Party candidate.


36 posted on 10/25/2010 3:48:05 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit.)
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To: Maelstorm

which poll are you looking at that says Christine is getting 14%? I believe it, but where are you getting that data?

It seems like the 6% poll might just be disappearing into happy talk land. For the primary, there was a lot more data about the poll. Not just the “Christine is up by 6” from an email. There was not a lot, but nationaljournal did see the poll and did seem to have crosstabs to look at.

I’m tired of fake polls.

I wouldn’t be shocked if we won HI, NY Gillibrand, MD, or OR.

Or more than 1 of those. If the candidates were better, we’d have even a better chance.

I think NY Schumer and VT are truly safe.

I think CT as well. Is McMahon spending a whole lot of money? My preference in CT was for Schiff, but I didn’t feel bad when McMahon won because she was supposed to win by spending a ton of money.


37 posted on 10/25/2010 3:48:09 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
Sure, when the GOP nominee is a Conservative, it would be bad to vote 3rd party. If the GOP Establishment didn’t learn its lesson, and put a RINO up there, and most seem to think Kirk is a RINO, then it might be valid to send a message. Kirk was the “electable” one. If he’s not elected, and the tea party conservatives are, what argument do the liberal Republicans have? I’ve heard NO MORE RINOS before somewhere.

So let me understand this. If the GOP candidate that wins the primary is a conservative, then you think you should vote for said nominee in the general election. If the GOP candidate that wins the primary is a moderate/RINO (someone who is not pure enough), then you think you should send a message to the establishment (and apparently a majority of Republican primary voters) and vote 3rd party?

Isn't this exactly what so many here are wailing about in Delaware? That moderate Republicans who's candidate Mike Castle lost the primary aren't sufficiently backing Christine O'Donnell? How are conservatives in Illinois doing EXACTLY the same thing as some "moderates" in Delaware any better - or smarter?

Voting 3rd party is mostly always stupid. We are a two party system whether you like it or not. You vote for a 3rd party and you are virtually always effectively throwing your vote in the trash and helping the leftist get elected. You can actually thank Perot's third party run for Bill Clinton. I have to think a lot of Perot voters regret that idiotic vote.

You want to get anything done politically, you have to compromise. Conservatives and the grass roots have gotten out there this year and helped nominate a lot of more conservative GOP candidates, but they are as obligated to vote for whoever the GOP nominee is as "moderates" and RINO's are.

38 posted on 10/25/2010 3:49:32 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Clintonfatigued

In races where there’s a Conservative, a Dem and a Green, absolutely.

Here, why bother. Kirk is apparently an unacceptable RINO, and it’s good that Republicans don’t have to vote for a Democrat in order to keep the RINO out.


39 posted on 10/25/2010 3:50:55 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: SmartInsight

Just stop it.

That anti-Democrat/lesser of two evil ship sailed after the Republicans took ownership of each branch of government and screwed us over. That argument isn’t going to move a soul here anymore.

The only arguments that move me are tactical. For instance re-districting. I’ve yelled at people to hold their tongues and lay down the vote for governerships and legislatures in the “R” column so we can still have the luxury of fighting these battles in later elections. But this is a special year. Otherwise I’d say vote their conscience.

If you want to make an appeal that might appeal to people here, use the 41st vote tactic. Filibustering a lame duck session si the only thing that might make them think twice but you’ll have to convince them Kirk can be trusted to do that much. I can’t say I have that kind of faith in him.


40 posted on 10/25/2010 3:52:10 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (I was there when we had the numbers, but didnÂ’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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