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1 posted on 10/24/2010 5:11:34 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To err is human. To FUBAR requires government intervention.


2 posted on 10/24/2010 5:19:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Just vote them OUT!!)
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To: jazusamo
I'm sure little Barry is very concerned about all this.

We have an ideologue in office with a worldview education that makes him unprepared for leadership.

The foreign occupier always puts his party before his country.

I say we impeach his butt starting in January.

Obamasalute-1sm

3 posted on 10/24/2010 5:20:54 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: jazusamo

Why spend millions on a low tech fence of concrete, steel and barbed wire that works well and has no moving parts when you can waste billions on a high tech virtual fence that is practically worthless, doesn’t function very well, if at all, and requires intensive and expensive maintenance?

Beacause the politicians really don’t want to stop illegals - they just want to look like they are trying. And if in the process they can somehow award huge contracts that result in huge political contributions, all the better.


4 posted on 10/24/2010 5:25:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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Nearly every single Department in the Federal Government is a virtual “mobius loop” of tax payer funded programs, follow-on studies that prove the original program is flawed, followed by even more misguided and ineffective spending, followed by even more studies. We have Federal regulations that serve no useful purpose other than to expand Government employment to supervise, implement, oversee and analyze to the point that the original purpose has been completely forgotten.

And the flood of illegals across the border continues nearly unabated, except that unemployment is higher in the US than in many parts of Mexico...


5 posted on 10/24/2010 5:25:21 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Self Defence is always appropriate.)
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No surprise at the mismanagement involved, sadly. I’m reminded of a (somewhat) similar high tech wonder system proposed back in the mid-1980s. I forget the name, but it was a system of sensors, surveillance balloons, etc. that was supposed to completely shut down drug trafficking along a section of the border. It was, of course, an abject failure. Nothing worked like it was supposed to, and pork barrel politics moved some of the equipment from the border to districts hundreds of miles away.


7 posted on 10/24/2010 5:35:25 PM PDT by DemforBush (You might think that, *I* could not possibly comment.)
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8 posted on 10/24/2010 5:37:56 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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Even if they built the virtual fence, you know darned well that they’d just sit there and watch the illegals streaming over the border.

Perhaps if we could convince Muchelle that climbing over a fence would give the illegals much-need exercise, and slim them down. . . .


12 posted on 10/24/2010 5:41:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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Earned Value Management (EVM) reports submitted by Boeing to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) were not reliable because they contained misleading information

HAHAHAHAHA! FTTFL! ROTFL! If they were using Earned Value to track and control this project, then they wanted to be misled, because EVM is a bogus technique. For those of you not familiar with gov't project management, it's a way to report progress based on how many hours were put into the project. It's typically used where the deliverable is something intangible (like software), and the project management office is clueless about how to set meaningful milestones. So they just give the contractor progress credit for hours worked. And pay them based on x% worked...

Other freepers may know better than me - is this typical for gov't run construction projects?

20 posted on 10/24/2010 6:14:42 PM PDT by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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Earned Value Management (EVM) reports submitted by Boeing to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) were not reliable because they contained misleading information

HAHAHAHAHA! FTTFL! ROTFL! If they were using Earned Value to track and control this project, then they wanted to be misled, because EVM is a bogus technique. For those of you not familiar with gov't project management, it's a way to report progress based on how many hours were put into the project. It's typically used where the deliverable is something intangible (like software), and the project management office is clueless about how to set meaningful milestones. So they just give the contractor progress credit for hours worked. And pay them based on x% worked...

Other freepers may know better than me - is this typical for gov't run construction projects?

21 posted on 10/24/2010 6:14:53 PM PDT by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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When the gubmint stated the use of a virtual fence I thought it was bullcrap then.Nothing beats boots on the ground and we are going to demand it from the screws in washington one way or another.


22 posted on 10/24/2010 7:14:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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Virtual Fence was a fraud from the beginning IMO. There is no economically-feasible way to make something like that work over such rough terrain.

Security sensors are motion detectors. Some of them can be calibrated to detect human-sized motion, but that's about it. Human-sized motion includes trees and shrubs blowing in the breeze, blowing and drifting snow and dust, fog, heavy rain, clouds passing overhead and producing a moving shadow on the ground, legal human beings who happen to be near the border, game animals such as deer and bear, the list goes on and on.

I worked with such security systems for 8 years. Many times the newest gee whiz stuff, when tested in the real world, turned out to be "Oops. Didn't know that would happen."

Sensors work great in a relatively small, controlled environment. Over vast, uneven terrain like the border, not so much. You'd have to level it and remove all obstacles that play havoc with sensors. Something like a paved road with a fence on both medians. Over that distance, it would require a lot of manpower to respond to alarms, many of them false due to the fickle nature of sensors.

23 posted on 10/24/2010 7:50:59 PM PDT by FlyVet
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Ping!


25 posted on 10/24/2010 10:04:00 PM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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Keep tinkering with the non fence and leave the border open...great plan. I think this is the third contractor that has failed with their “proven” virtual fence.


26 posted on 10/25/2010 6:10:37 AM PDT by low TBO
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