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To: roamer_1

That woman, SHE gave me the apple!

I promise, you didn’t get a rise out of me...I live in the kitchen, and the laundry room, and at the school table. :-)
Whoever is instigating the skanky behavior, I suspect the man of the house will have to answer for it in the end.


129 posted on 10/24/2010 7:43:21 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (To be determined...)
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To: LongElegantLegs
That woman, SHE gave me the apple!

LOL!

I am not interested in fixing, or shifting blame... I really don't mean to blame at all. My interest is in observing the problem correctly, and in conveying the most likely solution.

I would encourage you to observe the vestiges of female honor where they are most evident: The West and the South particularly. These are the last places where the American sense of genteel manners can be observed as a governing force within the subculture. Girls who care to participate in that culture, I can guarantee you, are still set apart and cherished as girls to "bring home to Momma."

And I speak with experience when I tell you that it is still common to see a full grown man, hat in hand, enduring an ever-so-kindly (yet viciously cold) upbraiding for overstepping the bounds of common courtesy.

Whoever is instigating the skanky behavior, I suspect the man of the house will have to answer for it in the end.

To be sure! God has put the responsibility upon the man. But we are not talking about the house. We are talking about the nation.

Our sense of these things springs from the English sense, and the Anglo/Saxon/Celtic sense still holds true till today:

Chastity has always been the domain of the female. It's counter in males is chivalry. One does not exist without the other. It is chivalry that must be required of men, especially by women, because that is what protects chastity.

And as an extension, chastity is enforced upon a man by chivalry in it's truest sense: the deflowering of a woman is a sin against God, and is also dishonoring the woman, and the father of the woman.

It must be observed that in all of history, this has only worked for the act of "deflowering," and in the later sense of honoring marriage (Therefore married women are made off limits)." But it is (and always has been) that female flower which is held as precious. Once it has been plucked...

So in that sense alone, the burden must fall first upon the woman, as the flower must not be plucked. If she is wanton, she will lose that precious commodity soon enough, and will sadly fall outside of the normal bounds of chivalry (as far as sex is concerned).

However, that burden is first placed upon her father, as her father (more than her mother, as it is invariably expected from the mother) must be the one who impresses upon her the immense value of chastity, and the careful selection of her mate...

So in the grand sense, the duty falls exactly where you'd put it: upon the head of the house. ;)

In closing, it is not that I disagree with you wholly. I have instructed my sons incessantly about chastity (as I have my daughters)... It is the formal, societal structure which is broken. And I think that one can point to feminism and the "free love" movement as the very thing which caused the breach. To say that is primarily the fault of men, and theirs to fix, is entirely false:

If women don't value themselves, what is there for a man to value?

134 posted on 10/25/2010 6:58:58 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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