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To: TXnMA
for the love of pete, I did not say I agree with what is sometimes called “the tipping point” model of homosexuality. I simply pointed out that you cannot rule out a genetic factor from that general condition of homosexuals not reproducing; it doesn't follow given what is known about genetics. I provided a possible explanation on why this is so and linked to an academic study that takes that position. It is position that I don't hold incidentally. But at this time it cannot be ruled out. At no point did I offer an opinion about whether or not homosexuality is a choice (it, at least in certain dimensions, obviously is a choice) nor did I state that homosexual behavior is morally permissible (which it isn't). I rebuked someone for being dumb about science.

Likewise, my comment “born that way doesn't have to mean genetic” (which I offered no opinion on as I am not sure if the conditions that cause homosexual attractions to develop are predominately genetic, environmental or social) was a rebuking of the idea that born that way must mean genetic. the fact of the matter is a person goes through 9 months of development prior to being born; there is evidence that environment factors (mainly the biological conditions of the womb) during pregnancy play a factor (the birth order effect the article I linked to, for example) in homosexual attraction development; if womb conditions do, by far and large, cause homosexual attractions to develop, it would be fair to say that homosexuals are born that way in spite of the lack of genetic influence.

being conservative does not mean I have to gloss over every and any nuance on this topic or any other.

and empathy and kindness come directly from the article I linked too. (which is the main reason I reject that explanation.)

85 posted on 10/20/2010 4:55:13 AM PDT by nightworker314
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To: nightworker314; christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Your comment did not state that it was quoting from (or plagiarizing) the article you (after the fact) linked to.

I am in no way convinced that the the article's claim that

"Inheritance of several such alleles produces homosexuality. Single alleles make for greater sensitivity, empathy, tendermindedness, and kindness."

is supported by any scientific evidence at all. In fact, I challenge the claim that "alleles... for sensitivity, empathy..." have been identified or, have even been shown to exist.

Further, even implying that such "alleles" are a part of the homosexual persona is, IMHO, merely an attempt to "put a pretty face on" what has been known throughout recorded history to be a filthy, perverted, abominable set of behaviours. (There is sound survival reason that virtually all normal mammalian species find the smell of its own feces to be repugnant...)

Certainly, non-genetic factors can alter development in the womb. (See "thalidomide babies".) That leaves open the possibility that some enterprising queer-lifestyle apologist may some day claim to have found a chemical reason for an in utero birth defect called "homosexuality".

Sorry, but you come across as an apologist for the sin which defies the very first divine command: "Be fruitful and multiply".

Notice the FR has a "keyword topic" on "Homosexual Agenda", which, to say the least, is not highly regarded on this forum. If you are not a supporter of that agenda, stand up and say so. Otherwise, christianhomeschoolmommaof3's prediction in #83 will likely soon come to pass...

86 posted on 10/20/2010 12:39:49 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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