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Denying the Catstrophe: The Science of the Climate Skeptic’s Position
forbes.com ^ | Oct. 15 2010 | Warren Meyer

Posted on 10/16/2010 3:57:51 PM PDT by neverdem

In last week’s column, I lamented the devolution of the climate debate into dueling ad hominem attacks, which has led in almost a straight line to the incredible totalitarian vision of the 10:10 climate group’s recent film showing school kids getting blown up for not adhering to the global warming alarmists’ position.

In writing that column, it struck me that it was not surprising that many average folks may be unfamiliar with the science behind the climate skeptic’s position, since it almost never appears anywhere in the press. This week I want to give a necessarily brief summary of the skeptic’s case. There is not space here to include all the charts and numbers; for those interested, this video and slide presentation provides much of the analytical backup.

It is important to begin by emphasizing that few skeptics doubt or deny that carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas or that it and other greenhouse gasses (water vapor being the most important) help to warm the surface of the Earth. Further, few skeptics deny that man is probably contributing to higher CO2 levels through his burning of fossil fuels, though remember we are talking about a maximum total change in atmospheric CO2 concentration due to man of about 0.01% over the last 100 years.

What skeptics deny is the catastrophe, the notion that man’s incremental contributions to CO2 levels will create catastrophic warming and wildly adverse climate changes. To understand the skeptic’s position requires understanding something about the alarmists’ case that is seldom discussed in the press: the theory of catastrophic man-made global warming is actually comprised of two separate, linked theories, of which only the first is frequently discussed in the media.

The first theory is that a doubling of atmospheric CO2 levels (approximately what we might see under...

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1 posted on 10/16/2010 3:57:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Read Michael Crichton’s book “State of fear” and he explains it all.

In the book, the environmentalists conspired to change the phrase “global warming” to the phrase “climate change”.

I laughed.

Who could be so foolish and so stupid as to believe that if the temperature goes up or the temperature goes down either way it must be climate change and therefore it is a bad thing.

Climate change–doesn’t happen every day? Isn’t it called the weather?

Anyway, read the book–I strongly recommend It…


2 posted on 10/16/2010 4:06:29 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
In the mid 70s, as the EPA was new, they gave me a fellowship to study environmental engineering. At that time the fear mongering according to the same set of data that we are having today was that we are going into the Ice Age, and that trend was because the selfish human, and their inventions. Especially the decadent Americans who are full of waste. According to the data I studied, there were fluctuations, which the normal weather pattern, with a slight indication of 1/2 a degree Fahrenheit trending upward per decade.

According to our own observation, we all lived on this earth without dinasaurs, which vanished because of weather or whatever the reason? I can guarantee you that me, and 99% of the earth inhabitants do not lose sleep thinking how life would have been if dinasaurs were still around.

The holocaust of the oil spill in Alaska, and New Orleans illustrated that the earth is more than capable of compensating for trouble. Our body is more than capable for compensating for traumas.

The busy body environmentalists are fed by the America haters of the socialist European intellectuals, who hate our extravagant life style.

3 posted on 10/16/2010 4:24:40 PM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: phobia-dude

The busy body environmentalists are fed by the America haters of the socialist European intellectuals, who hate our life style.

Fixed.


4 posted on 10/16/2010 5:05:14 PM PDT by benewton
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To: neverdem

The environmental fanatics have given scientists a worse reputation than used car salesmen.


5 posted on 10/16/2010 5:10:16 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere

Yup, scientists are as low as lawyers now, and they deserve to be.


6 posted on 10/16/2010 5:34:13 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: aflaak

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7 posted on 10/16/2010 8:57:38 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 10/17/2010 4:21:26 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...
Judging from this excerpt -- "few doubt", "greenhouse gas", "fossil fuels" -- obviously this guy is just another shill, but trying to hide behind a pretext of objectivity. There hasn't been ad hominem attacks on both sides as the writer claims, there has been a continuous structured scientific response to the political fiction (and ad hominem attacks) the global warming demagogues have tried to shove down everyone's throats as if it were drawn from the sciences. Global warming / AGW is entirely political in origin, has no science to back it up, never has had, and never will have, because it is a political scam, and has as a goal the establishment of a single party state and dismantling of our liberties and Constitution. Countries which wish to promote the agenda need to be treated as the pariah nations that they are.

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9 posted on 10/17/2010 7:43:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: devere
Don't confuse climate science-ish with actual science.

Much like social science-ish, it attempts to use the methodology and borrow the respectability, but without the rigor or reproducibility.

People understand that science works, so they have glommed on to the word for whatever it is they are doing. Your shampoo is “Scientifically formulated”.

And as far as reputation, scientists are right up there with doctors and firemen as far as having respect. But then again, most are actually doing science, not academic think tank foundational fear mongering.

10 posted on 10/17/2010 7:50:49 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
And as far as reputation, scientists are right up there with doctors and firemen as far as having respect. But then again, most are actually doing science, not academic think tank foundational fear mongering.

That's a good point - Since many people tend to lump all scientists together, the alarmist climate 'scientists' are trashing the reputations of those doing the hard sciences . I've come to view science today as existing in three distinct branches: legitimate science (rigor and reproducibility), social 'science' (fuzzy and feel-good), and climate 'science' (evil and deceptive).

11 posted on 10/17/2010 8:21:43 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob
Yes, which is disturbing to me that more scientists are not willing to draw a clear line. Nature and other actual science publications that should know better have apparently decided that ‘climate change’ and ‘hide the decline’ science-ish is worth defending.

Most scientists don't know enough outside their own area of expertise to comment, and hope that other scientists are ethical and committed to real word results not politicized outcomes; but I know if I was sending an e-mail telling people I used a “trick” to “hide the decline” involving any of my own science work - heads would roll. Mine first. And nobody would defend me.

But different rules apparently apply to the science-ish branches. Seeings as how it is all mostly bullsh*t anyway, you want to come down hard on someone for fudging the bullsh*t? Well yes, actually - if they are going to try to call it science, and peer reviewed and all that.

Besides ‘trick's to ‘hide the decline’ the e-mails also showed collusion to circumvent the peer review process. Their bovine excrement was falling apart and they were caught saying that they would ‘change the peer review process if he have to’; they knew they had to in order to keep ‘hiding the decline’.

Thanks for keeping the distinction clear.

Never forget that the Communists tried to call their economic system a “science”. If it was then every ‘experiment’ was an absolute failure, with ‘theory’ not only not explaining all observed data, it was at odds with all of it.

12 posted on 10/17/2010 8:43:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

“Don’t confuse climate science-ish with actual science.”

Since The National Academy of Sciences, The Royal Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, Nature, and Scientific American, have all expressed themselves forcefully and dogmatically in favor of bogus climate science, the reputation of science as a whole is now in disrepute.

My condolences to real scientists who still do real scientific work.


13 posted on 10/17/2010 9:15:07 AM PDT by devere
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To: devere
It really is a shame, as I said, that Nature and others who should know better (or know enough to stay out of areas that are not their own) have decided that the hill peer reviewed reproducible science should fight and die on is this bogus anthropogenic climate change garbage where they have to use a ‘trick’ to ‘hide the decline’ and ‘redefine the peer review process if we have to’.

If anyone in actual science were caught doing ANY of that it would be termination time, and rightly so.

I am unsure of the argument why this is A-OK in climate science-ish when it would be grounds for termination and intellectual exile in science.

14 posted on 10/17/2010 9:25:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
I am unsure of the argument why this is A-OK in climate science-ish when it would be grounds for termination and intellectual exile in science.

It's OK because it's being done to 'save the planet' from being destroyed by the Evil Capitalists. I seem to recall a quote about ends justifying means. I think that fully applies here.

15 posted on 10/17/2010 9:41:11 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob
Well I guess while the associate and publish side of science may see that as a worthy goal, most of us working stiff scientists ARE “Evil Capitalists”, and hope our companies make new innovative products that lead to increased market share and rising stock prices.

I get a stock bonus every year that accrues 20% a year over five years, most scientists have similar motivations vis a vie stock prices, American pie, white picket fences, and SUV’s filled with geeky little children.

16 posted on 10/17/2010 9:45:58 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: neverdem
In last week’s column, I lamented the devolution of the climate debate into dueling ad hominem attacks, which has...

An Ad Hominem attack would be: 'Al Gore is a democrat, so therefore he can't claim global warming is real...'

However, 'Al Gore stands to profit from the furthering of AGW so his arguments are tainted and, likely false or exaggerated' is not ad hominem.

17 posted on 10/17/2010 9:51:25 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bakon Akbar!)
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18 posted on 10/17/2010 12:10:50 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: neverdem
Skeptics argue that, like a police department that locks on a single suspect early in a crime investigation and fails to adequately investigate any other suspects, many climate scientists locked in early on to CO2 as the primary culprit for this warming, to the exclusion of many other possible causes.

He acts like it's honest hastiness that led to pinning the blame on anthropogenic CO2 as the culprit (yes I realize police/prosecutors sometimes do this for evil ends too). Had they found the trend to be driven by something NOT caused by humans this would have been merely another sky-is-falling scientific boondoggle accompanied by much hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth among those who believed it, followed by it falling from the radar with no permanent effect. There's no money or power over other people's lives to be gained in that scenario.

19 posted on 10/17/2010 12:33:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well said dude!


20 posted on 10/17/2010 6:17:17 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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