Dude, you kill me sometimes.
Check this out... Vattel was not writing an original work per-say! Remember, this book is a compendium. Its a book that takes the best of previous societies which proved successful in the past. It takes the best of history at that time, going back to the Roman Senate and working its way through time and advancements in governments. Vattel GOT his definition of a Natural Born Citizen - someone born to two parents who are citizens of that nation, and born upon its soil. the reason he does so, is because if you are looking at a leader with Command of the Armies, you HAD to know where that person’s loyalties lay. Aside from the men in the room, who had proven their worth and EARNED their places in writing the Constitution, what means would be used to determine that as best as possible? To Make CERTAIN no other nation had any claim on the child; that child is a citizen ONLY of the United States. This only happens with TWO parents who are citizens, and born upon the soil of that nation. In ANY other combination, the child might be a citizen, but not a Natural Born one. Natural Born Citizen isn’t a fluffy mistake by the founders. They were doing all they could to assure the people who were following them, that their leadership in the future would be led by those with sole and singular loyalty to the United States of America only, and BY BIRTH.
In particular the same book by Vattel also tells us quite clearly, that citizenship is passed from father to son. Obama was born as British as he is American. He was not, and never could have been a Natural Born Citizen. Not with what we have been told about his parentage.
Before Obama, we had presidents who would BOW TO NO ONE. Period. Why? Because Americans BOW TO NO ONE! We are AMERICA! and dang it we do what we do because that’s what we want to create! Thats what America is! Our founders wanted for us to have leadership which would bow to no one. The NBC clause is a DELIBERATE and well reasoned inclusion into the Constitution. It prevents cretins like Obama, IF IT IS FOLLOWED! And the proof lay in all the Presidents of the United States, ALL of them.... and tell me WHEN some other President EVER bowed to anyone. Let alone the dozen Obama has bowed to....
We have had good and bad presidents before... but they didn’t bow to anyone, because America bows to no one. We are unto ourselves, and this is a big part of our success!
Now I am sorry, but the soft tyranny you are selling falls short for one GLARING reason.... It’s just flat wrong. Vattel wrote his book in 1752 or so. The Constitution had not been written yet, let alone ratified, let alone gone to the point of having 14 Amendments.
Benjamin Franklin spoke of the book in letters. He DONATED one to the University of Virginia I believe. What’s more, Franklin was FLUENT in French. Very very fluent.
Rogers, the evidence supporting my claim, the historical evidence, is not only mounting, its flat out huge. More and more you are looking like you are literally tilting at a windmill.
Your whole argument is that the Founders didn’t rely on Vattel... in one guise or another, that’s normal for you. I wonder, when you are confronted by evidence in letters from Franklin, John Jay and others, that these men not only knew Vattel’s work, but studied it and used it as a guide and a frame of reference. Sorry but there it is.
The ONLY body which can make a ruling on the specific meaning of the constitution, is SCOTUS. You see, WKA is NOT important for the case, or the details OF the case. It is important that it made the DISTINCTION between Citizen, and Natural Born Citizen. It did not define the distinction.
That is why WKA is important. No other reason really. Its a dot on the chain of evidence.
That chain is getting longer by the day as more and more archival documents are found and read.
~~Man, the smoke, mirrors and obfuscation of the simplest facts gets SO annoying at times.
“Natural Born Citizen” is not found in any translation of Vattel prior to 1797.
And there is nothing ‘natural’ about the phrase ‘natural born citizen’. As Vattel put it...natural, or indigenous, but he didn’t use the awkward phrase NBC.
He didn’t because it is a legal phrase, born from English common law. And the legal term differed from what Vattel thought - yet the Founders used it, and not Vattel’s wording.
The Supreme Court spent a significant part of the WKA decision REJECTING the idea of birth by descent. Read it, or continue to lose.
WKA is NOT important for the case, or the details OF the case. It is important that it made the DISTINCTION between Citizen, and Natural Born Citizen.
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Nor was consideration in WKA based on him in the
stature of a POTUS.
Question: if BHO went back to Kenya to live, could
he gain rightful Kenyan citizenship status, based on
the paternity he’s stated?
“They were doing all they could to assure the people who were following them, that their leadership in the future would be led by those with sole and singular loyalty to the United States of America only, and BY BIRTH.”
Are you referring to natural born citizens like Rev Wright (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw), or Bill Ayers?
They wished to avoid the foreign entanglements of a President born overseas, with high political ties and stakes in the affairs of foreign countries.