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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
The term 'native born' has evolved over time and in the 20th century to have separate meaning to NBC than what it once meant in the past because of changes in laws. The changes have been the WKA court decision and its interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Women won the right to vote, and as consequence, lead to the decoupling of separate citizenships for the women regardless of marriage. Prior to 1922, foreign women who married American men, became US citizens upon the act of marriage as that is not the case today. American women who married foreign men lost their US citizenship prior to (about) 1932, which the feminist and liberal Supreme Court jurist Ginsberg calls the "bad old days". Et al....

In modern usage, all natural born are native born however, not all native born are natural born.

703 posted on 10/16/2010 2:30:40 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The term 'native born' has evolved over time and in the 20th century to have separate meaning to NBC than what it once meant in the past because of changes in laws. The changes have been the WKA court decision and its interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

I don't see anything in WKA that draws a distinction between natural BC and native BC. Can you point it out?

In looking, though, I did stumble across this interesting tidbit:

[The Levy v. McCartee decision] treated it as unquestionable that, by that law, a child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, quoting the statement of Lord Coke in Co.Lit. 8a, that, "if an alien cometh into England and hath issue two sons, these two sons areindigenae, subjects born, because they are born within the realm..."
I note that Lord Coke used (in Latin) the same term Vattel used (in French) that some insist must apply to the definition of NBC. It looks to me like Coke says someone born in the country of an alien father is nonetheless a "subject born," and that the Supreme Court justice took that to mean the sam as "natural born subject." Again, this strikes me as contradicting what the "birther" side usually claims about what Vattel meant. Do you think Vattel knew of Lord Coke's writings?
717 posted on 10/16/2010 10:14:27 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Red Steel

You have to do nothing more than look at Vattel’s definition and Justice Waite in Minor (also cited by Gary in WKA) that natives and natural born are interchangeable, except that to be a native (or native-born) = being born in the country to parent who are citizens. Our constitutional definition of native is not soley a jus soli definition.


724 posted on 10/16/2010 12:49:38 PM PDT by edge919
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