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To: Mr Rogers

Elg wasn’t adopted. There was also a treaty involved, which I pointed out earlier. The ‘principle’ you cited doesn’t deal with an adoptive parent who is returning to his home country. Also, such a parent is not ‘resuming’ a former allegiance because the parent in question did not have U.S. allegiance. In Elg, the parent DID have U.S. allegiance. Lolo Soetoro did not.

I’ve already pointed out earlier in this thread that the so-called ‘principle’ was NOT recognized in WKA; “neither he nor his parents acting for him ever renounced his allegiance to the United States ...” This acknowledges that this court thinks that WKA’s parents could have done something to renounce their child’s allegiance.

If you go to the U.S. State Department website on Adoptions, it says, “A child being adopted from the United States to another Convention country retains his/her U.S. citizenship. He or she may also acquire the citizenship of the prospective adoptive parents depending on the citizenship status of the parents and the laws of the other Convention country.” Indonesia is not a Convention country. As this is written, it would indicate that those children adopted from the United States to a non-Convention country do not necessarily retain U.S. citizenship; likely because the state department cannot protect U.S. citizenship in non-Convention countries.

Yes, Obama appears to have returned to live with his grandparents, but it may have been as Indonesian citizen, which we have to assume since the only documentation available for that time period says he was an Indonesian citizen and there’s no documentation to show that he gained or resumed U.S. citizenship. Feel free to find some.


1,687 posted on 10/22/2010 12:53:08 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

God grief. Are you trying to say adoption gives a stronger tie than the child being yours by blood? The parents of Elg returned to Sweden, and her father swore an oath renouncing US citizenship. The mother had never formally become a US citizen.

What part of this statement do you not understand: “It has long been a recognized principle in this country that, if a child born here is taken during minority to the country of his parents’ origin, where his parents resume their former allegiance, he does not thereby lose his citizenship in the United States provided that, on attaining majority, he elects to retain that citizenship and to return to the United States to assume its duties.”

Obama’s mother remained a US citizen. Obama Jr could NOT lose his citizenship by any act of his parents. Period.


1,688 posted on 10/22/2010 1:19:27 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: edge919
As this is written, it would indicate that those children adopted from the United States to a non-Convention country do not necessarily retain U.S. citizenship; likely because the state department cannot protect U.S. citizenship in non-Convention countries.

Edge, I think you nailed with that one. Bingo. I've seen a lot of State Department info and that's how I've always read it. And its clear from Obama's school record that he was at least at one time an Indonesian citizen. Red flag or should be to a reasonable person.

1,689 posted on 10/22/2010 1:24:16 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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