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To: SQUID

Of course, you are correct that environmental issues should never be allowed to become identified with one political party and that being an environmentalist does not make you a Nazi.

However, there is no question that environmentalism has a fascist problem, which has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 20 years, all the way to even politicizing the weather, and this needs to be checked. Gone are the good old days of racist environmentalism, but now we have a general all around anti human environmentalism, which could potentially turn out to be worse if they continue to grab more and more power over our own private land and commerce, and this on top of what they basically already own through the nationalization of the land in BLM, national forest, national parks, etc. They already own half the west for crying out loud, not to mention the millions of acres in Alaska. Stormwater rules are ever becoming more strict, and the carbon emission cap and trade scheme will be the final nail in the coffin. The enviro movement needs some humiltiy these days. It has become the 800 lb green gorilla in the room that no one wants to talk about.


11 posted on 10/12/2010 10:40:42 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
With all due respect my friend it seems that Republicans have allowed for the left to solely identify themselves with the environment. The right has distanced themselves from it by publicly rejecting environmental controls while not putting forth solutions very well. Many also think that environmental controls mean killing business and the economy. They are wrong.

What the left has done is scare the hell out of the general public to CREATE demand and at the same time they have made a profit in doing so. They have also gained power. As a result many on the right dismiss the left for profiting on the opportunity and therefore rejected some forms of environmental policy because they are labeled as leftist or tree hugging. Not to say that there are not any idiotic policies out there that would indeed kill the economy.

So, now you have an idea that is starting to gain momentum. There are now companies that renovate buildings into being more energy efficient. There are cars that are more energy efficient. There are new materials being produced that hold heat better and so on. Why not? What is wrong with that? Well, it seems to me because the people who are on the side of old style energy, fossil fuels, are not part of the new game. Conservation and efficiency cuts into profits for a system that is based on more consumption not less.

..and so I think this is a struggle for power and simple question of economics. It has little to do with anything else. Maybe I'm wrong.

12 posted on 10/12/2010 12:45:41 PM PDT by SQUID
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