Student Says He Found FBI Tracking Device on Car (FBI says no warrant necessary)

ABC News ^ | 9 October 2010 | Kevin Dolak

[algernonpj]

Well, ole Ben had it wrong for once, although I see he says “temporary”. Therein lies the difference. We are in a war with Islam and this ain’t gonna clear up any time soon.

Agreed Islam has declared war on us. However ceding our freedom is not the solution. The underlying question as expressed by ravenwolf in post #59 is "why are there so many Muslims over here to begin with? would it have something to do with our people in government? why let them come here if they feel that they must put tracking devices on them,? is it for an excuse to make this a police state?"

I believe that what Republic_of_Secession posted about europe is also relevant to the US: "The larger reason is that the elite want to bring anti Western Muslims into Europe so as to hasten the demise of the nation State & Western civilization in general in order to better implement their Global government."

Also see my post # 75

I have a major problem with those who maintain the fictions that Islam is solely a religion, that Islam is a religion of peace, and that the ground zero mosque is about freedom of religion.

I have no problem with spying on Muslims who would destroy the US; OTH I have a major problem with 'warrantless' spying and expanding the power of government.

[Eye of Unk]

I say we as private citizens should take the initiative and send each and every Moslem a daily message that we don’t want them here in the US.

I would forget about any Federal help, they are corrupted anyway, they have a Moslem as POTUS and won;t do anything against him.

Its all on us, literally. Do and don’t talk about it.

[miss marmelstein]

Look, if a tea party person had been targeted I would have been up in arms too. But it was a Muslim male teenager with an activist daddy. FBI go to it!

The Muslims are already here. We can’t do anything about the past; they are here for the same reason Great Britain is overloaded with them. Liberal policies and Democrat vote getting. Reprehensible! Every time Blair says we have to watch out for Islam I think of how he and his cronies invited them into Great Britain in the first place.

[Quiller]

And the Patriot act came from Bush as did Tarp and the GM bailouts. learn to accept that the Government is the problem it is one of our beliefs here.

The president cannot initiate legislation. Congress does that.

It's in the Constitution.

Learn how the government works -- it's one of our beliefs in America.

[ravenwolf]

Ah...you see...the basic flaw in your position is that you’ve mistaken I Slam for a religion.

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Nope , I don,t buy that. the flaw is in people thinking of Christianity as a religion. Christianity is about the only thing that is not a religion and they have spent about 2 thousand years trying to make it one.

[ravenwolf]

When whatever reason for the tracking device to be installed either is fulfilled or evaporates then the device is removed.

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I still think they should require them to get a warrant.

You have heard the nerds in the news media ask why do so many people hate us?

what can we do to make them like us?

Where did we go wrong?

I am not worried if they like us or not,

but
When half of the American citizens live in fear of losing their freedom i think we should question every thing the Government does.

[ravenwolf]

Ah a kindred spirit. See my post # 75

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So, i guess what you are saying is that Bush was nothing more than a socialist democrat hiding behind a conservative mask?

and what the heck is a kindred spirit?

[algernonpj]

So, i guess what you are saying is that Bush was nothing more than a socialist democrat hiding behind a conservative mask?

Pretty much. Both Bush I and II are NWO globalists, globalists being corporatists / crony capitalists / fascists. I learned that fascism is an unholy alliance between governemny and large corporations, i.e. communism with the illusion of freedom and private ownership of property.

and what the heck is a kindred spirit?

Someone with whom you share an idea, opinion, outlook, belief, attitude. I was referring with the idea that at least one of the reasons that our wide open borders and immigration policies are allowing the country to be flooded with illegal aliens and legal immigrants who pose security and safety risks, is to prime us to accept more and more creeping intrusions on our freedom.

[ravenwolf]

Pretty much. Both Bush I and II are NWO globalists, globalists being corporatists / crony capitalists / fascists. I learned that fascism is an unholy alliance between governemny and large corporations, i.e. communism with the illusion of freedom and private ownership of property

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I can not say you are wrong on that, except that we may be talking about kindred spirits here also instead of conspiracy or etc,

for instance if i was to discover a gold mine and all of a sudden be rich, my first problem would be to try to keep the dam socialists from stealing it, so i would be more apt to vote for a republican than a democrat, but would that make me a N.W.O or globalist? well maybe so, and at the same time people who would vote for people who advocate sharing the wealth could be called socialist.

Sharing the wealth just means stealing from the people who will work and manage and giving to the people who won,t,, but that works the same way as the illusion of freedom and private ownership, it won,t happen, under that kind of system every one will just get poorer.

Capitalism to me just means free interprize and that is what i believe in, if i believe in anything.

No i am not a kindred spirit, i can see both sides to any story, for instance i believe we have the globalists and the new world order advocates on both sides and one side is just as strong as the other and they are both being used by the people who are pulling the strings, the C.F.R, the trilateral commission, Rockefeller foundation and others.

The two sides just have a different way of bringing in the new world order. in other words who is going to be the big power in the N.W.O.

Any one who believes the new world order to be a reality should be able to see the the views of the people called the enemies of the united states, i don,t like the dam murdering bastards but i can still see why they would call the united states the great satan.

Some people would call me a religious nut because i believe the Bible tells us that this is all coming to an end with the end time beast, and no i am not a religious nut because i believe religion is an enemy of the truth from the bible,

(that is not to say that all churches are a religion).

I do not belong to any church or any club or any party of any kind, and will not.

Kindred spirit, i don,t think so.