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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
Look, a number of my own views are libertarian. Seat belt laws, smoking bans, the EPA. I do think it obvious, however, that a basic common presuppositional framework is necessary as a bedrock for building any society, that it is simply not possible to start from "nothing" if for no other reason than the founders of society x's own built-in biases, which we all carry.

In our case, we have built a society in which it is safe to openly profess atheism even though the very foundation that even makes that possible is theistic. This was clearly, to my mind, the spirit of the Jefferson quote.

If I am reading you right, you are challenging my assertion that libertarianism tries to start from nothing, ostensibly to facilitate the greatest amount of liberty. I would love to be proven wrong on this. My bone with libertarianism is not with citizens' rights to believe whatever they wish, but rather with what I perceive as its notion to undermine the foundational latticework, itself not completely neutral, that makes this freedom possible in the first place.

54 posted on 10/03/2010 9:30:52 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
Seat belt laws, smoking bans, the EPA

Conservatives fought all those, you don't need to adopt the word libertarian to describe conservatives, that is part of their fifth column goal that they are contaminating conservatism with.

57 posted on 10/03/2010 9:35:54 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Lexinom

I think Libertarianism is hard to define in a practical sense. In this thread, it’s being defined too close to Anarchy. I certainly don’t agree with the premise of this thread that Libertarians are indifferent to the founding principles. Today I and other conservatives are rediscovering their Libertarian leanings and that’s a good thing I think.


62 posted on 10/03/2010 9:43:02 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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