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To: Tzfat

I think he has who Christ spoke to incomplete...it was the Jewish leadership...the religious leaders...the same could be said of many religious leaders thru the centuries even til today. They demand their memberships to do what they themsleves do not....and yes there are men and now woman in the pulpits who could easily be said are :children of the deveil”...so what’s that guys beef really?


39 posted on 09/30/2010 9:44:09 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
I think he has who Christ spoke to incomplete...it was the Jewish leadership...the religious leaders...the same could be said of many religious leaders thru the centuries even til today. They demand their memberships to do what they themsleves do not....and yes there are men and now woman in the pulpits who could easily be said are :children of the deveil”...so what’s that guys beef really?

His beef? Repeating the same nonsense that made up the blood libels that preceded every pogrom. The fact is, the Greek of Acts 21:20 indicates that nearly half the population of Jerusalem in 59 CE were followers of Messiah. So the whole "the JOOOOZ rejected Christ" is demonstrably false - and is nigh to "the JOOOOZ are Christ Killers."

Sobran was decidedly anti-Israel. That does not itself make him anti-Semitic, but when one closely examined his arguments about Israel - coupled with his own ethnic origins, it became clear that there was something akin to Helen Thomas or George Mitchell bias on Sobran's part. Then of course, he had to open his mouth and the evidence was in: yup. Anti-Semitic.
63 posted on 10/01/2010 4:24:58 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: caww

The Bible makes no distinction on “leaders.” Look at the book of Joshua...when Aachan hid the spoils of the Canaanites in his tent....then the Hebrews were defeated at AI. The USA did the same in WW II...we did not declare war on the Japanese “leaders” who master-minded the attack on Pearl Harbor.

God said, “Israel has sinned....” not “Aachan has sinned...”

So too, when Christ arrived, John 8 tells us the chosen people were divided into two categories...those who accepted him and those who rejected him. The Jews (which is what the NT calls this group) made an argument from pedigree (Abraham is our father - implied, you are a half breed, who is your father?)...Christ told them only those who do the deeds of Abraham qualify.

40 years later the temple was destroyed and the Talmudic Rabinnical Judiasm that evolved over the centuries is not the same as the sacrificial-based worship model the Lord set up and then destroyed in the 1st Century and it is definitely hostile to Jesus Christ.

The two sides existed all the way to Calvary....one side was decidedly smaller in number and even lost one from its ranks for a short time (Peter)....the other side screamed “His blood be upon us and our children”...that is what the account says.

E. Michael Jones has written the definitive work on this history here: (5 star)

http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Revolutionary-Spirit-Impact-History/dp/0929891074


66 posted on 10/01/2010 4:51:48 AM PDT by Tribemike1
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