Posted on 09/29/2010 8:40:24 PM PDT by Undocumented_capitalist
the gop has this awful experts are clueless fools who live in the beltway isolation.
Buying Compaq was not. How'd that work out? Spinning off Agilent wasn't exactly a hot idea either. Then there was Lucent...
Well, I guess you were talking about "good CEOs," but that wouldn't include Carly. Any leader who demoralizes her people is a loser. Period.
What are you talking about? When American auto-building labor became the cheaper alternative for Japanese companies, they set up factories all over the United States. Their efficient technology was taught to Americans, and it forced Detroit to keep up or perish. It was the sensible thing for them to do.
The laws of economics must be obeyed, otherwise any company that thinks that it can prosper with higher labor costs is doomed to fail. There is no magical pixie dust that says that American labor is unique and unsusceptable to competetion from the billions of smart people worldwide. They are going to have to earn a higher standard of living, and not carry a sense that the world owes it to them for being special.
I have not spent time on details, but my best indicator of how a company is doing is it’s stock price. HP stock performed better than the index of computers & peripherals manufacturers. And HP is thriving and flourishing. So I have to conclude Fiorina succeeded in navigating through the biggest crash in electronics circa 2000-2001.
IOW, you don't know what you are talking about but you can find something to point to.
Obviously you have not made any money in stock market.
Obviously you have such pathetic standards of evidence that you will make a conclusion without any data. Hence, your judgment is totally untrustworthy.
Thank you for your admission.
It is easy to raise a stock price while killing a company long term. HP is a shell of what it was under David Packard, for the most part, still living off developments from long ago.
If it was such a great investment, why is Julie Packard so heavily invested into oil and gas?
Is it because she wanted to help steal that land cheap from those who'd sucked off Pat Brown's free water and hidden under the Williamson Act tax shelter for thirty years "farming" with $1.5 BILLION in FedGov selenium "mitigatinos" so that it would be her interests that cash in on all that cheap land and cheaper water building "sustainable" insta-cities along the I-5 high-speed sinkhole rail corridor? Hmmm???
So you see, a number of us are tired of you clowns begging us to get all tingly about such wonderful "Republicans" as the Pete Wilson, Schwarzenegger, Bob White, Meg Whitman Karl Rove gang, using regulatory power trying to swipe the long anticipated return on somebody else's crooked fascist gambit.
"Capitalist" indeed.
I've been busy.
If you do not understand how important stock price and market capitalization of a corporation is, then I am afraid you do not understand the very basics of capitalism.
Stock price represents what investors perceive as the current and future intrinsic value of a company. There are zillions of examples of when a “good” CEO dies or jumps to another company. the stock price drops. And vice versa. Stock price is the sum total of company earnings present, future and how reliable.
So there is no better gauge overall than price of HP stock in relation to the market of effective was Fiorina’s effort to guide the company through difficult period of silicon valley debacle.
If you keep shooting off your ignorant mouth you'll lose your fading chance of convincing anybody on this forum of anything.
So there is no better gauge overall than price of HP stock in relation to the market of effective was Fiorina’s effort to guide the company through difficult period of silicon valley debacle.
Yeah, that's why she was forced out by the board.
So when that "great corporation" started treating people like "they're all the same," I left to go do something far more challenging, leaving the prediction (in writing) that that division (with 60% market share at the time making buckets of money on the prior process I'd created) would go belly-up within five years without the new process I'd made for them.
And what do you know but the new process I'd created succeeded, yet they were unable to replicate it even with a full set of Y14.5 drawings. Why? Because once the idiots in management figured out that they needed it (which was too late), the PEOPLE I'd trained to build it refused to build it for them. What happened? That division was shut down and gone within five years, and the brand spanking new equipment running the old process went with it.
Can you see that series of events in the stock price of that $200 million dollar division of that Fortune 200 company? No. Not a bit. Nor would you see the host of lost opportunities in a company with the size and momentum of HP. No, Carly screwed those people who built that company and looked good for a time living off what they'd made while handing the real capital over to HP's competitors: the knowledge of what it takes to MAKE what they sell. It is in making that one learns what it takes to take that process to the next level. It is making that teaches the people to be capable of that leap. It is making that provides the infrastructure of a supply chain of similar capability. Once their competitors use that wealth to develop the people to extend that knowledge, HP is toast.
It's happening.
You see, people are what truly matters, more so than even stock price long term. David Packard knew that. Carly Fiorina had no clue. Carly Fiorina was an indiscriminate pompous bully with HP people. Long term, HP is NOTHING of what it could have been without them, and lost long-term opportunity is what you idiots who look at quarterly results just don't comprehend.
So for you to blather equipped with so little information is so beyond pathetic, and so indicative of ulterior motive, that there is no way I or anybody else who matters on the California board of FreeRepublic will take you seriously. You have no idea how badly you just blew it here.
Got it? No, I'll bet you don't.
I think you should vote for Babs Boxer. That will satisfy your need for revenge against Fiorina. From what I can tell, Carly
did you terribly wrong. There is no other explanation for your tirade against a republican which can only benefit the left wing, socialist, enviro wacko, never met a tax she did not like, Boxer.
“Oh, and if Meg Whitman was such a wonderful advocate of free-enterprise, then why did she give $300K to the EDF to “protect the Delta Smelt”? What do you think that’s did for ag production or small businesses in the Central Valley? How about all those Latinos she says she cares about? Been to Fresno lately?
Is it because she wanted to help steal that land cheap from those who’d sucked off Pat Brown’s free water and hidden under the Williamson Act tax shelter for thirty years “farming” with $1.5 BILLION in FedGov selenium “mitigatinos” so that it would be her interests that cash in on all that cheap land and cheaper water building “sustainable” insta-cities along the I-5 high-speed sinkhole rail corridor? Hmmm???
So you see, a number of us are tired of you clowns begging us to get all tingly about such wonderful “Republicans” as the Pete Wilson, Schwarzenegger, Bob White, Meg Whitman Karl Rove gang, using regulatory power trying to swipe the long anticipated return on somebody else’s crooked fascist gambit.
“Capitalist” indeed.”
Is this about Whitman, or Fiorina? The 2 are different people, and are running for different offices.
Whitman is a Romney affiliate and is running for Governor
Fiorina was a McCain affiliate and is running for Senate
Personally, I’d vote for just about anything over Boxer. I don’t see how we could possibly have anything worse, since Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Che Guevara are dead. Boxer is like them, only dumber and more arrogant.
I take it you're new here.
Personally, I’d vote for just about anything over Boxer. I don’t see how we could possibly have anything worse, since Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Che Guevara are dead. Boxer is like them, only dumber and more arrogant.
No, the point is about "pro-environment" RINOs, as you'll note in further posts. Fiorina is a pro-globalist and has expressed a preference for cap and raid. One of the principal ways in which global investors looking to cash in on the dying corpse of America effect their preferences is through regulations pursuant to treaty law, the ratification of which is the exclusive province of Senators. On that front, Fiorina, Whitman, and Boxer differ not a whit. In fact, it is treaty law underlying the ESA which Whitman et al. are using to their benefit.
Look at how Arnold has damaged the Republican brand in California with environmental regulation? Well, who predicted that? ME. I'm telling you that the same is true of Whitman, Boxer, AND Fiorina. So, all things told, it is my opinion that if, on the most substantive issues concerning the Senate that there is little difference, the damage RINOs do outweighs whatever ephemeral benefit they might perchance offer, should they so deign. The only real place I see Fiorina of any benefit might be concerning a judicial appointment, but then, you DO remember "the gang of 14, don't you?
Miguel Estrada does.
Then you tell wrong; it was a different company in a different industry. There you go making bogus conclusions off insufficient data, again.
I worked for HP in the early 70’s.
I worked for MBARI in the 90’s. Dave Packard didn’t give a rat’s a$$ about HP’s stock price. He cared about good people doing good things. He sacked John Young shortly before he died and Carly would never have gotten the job had he been alive. Julie, Nancy and Susan placed her.
David Woodly didn’t care and never has been involved.
Bill would have been pissed as well.
That said, Brown is worse.
I ment to say that Boxer is worse; they’re both disasters.
I ment to say meant. Dang.
There's a lot of that going around.
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