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To: bvw
the honor of scrupulous honesty

No. There is no honor in honesty. Honesty is a default requirement for minimum human decency, like caring for one's children or not assaulting people on the street.

In the moral scheme, dishonesty gets you demerits while honesty gets you no credits. It is to be expected from everyone at all times.

21 posted on 09/28/2010 12:54:28 PM PDT by Chunga (The Democratic Party Is A Criminal Enterprise)
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To: Chunga

A market market that highly values honesty, honors it. Most assuredly there is both a practical and spiritual value in honesty — honesty is NOT the default. The default condition of humanity is self-deception and deception.

It takes effort and training to be honest. It is not default in nearly all humans.

Although I did meet a young woman recently who seemed completely honest — but she was an moron with Down’s Syndrome. I am not using the word moron as a slight to her, it is the word to describe her actual mental condition. See http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/whats-the-difference-idiot-vs-moron/ I could describe her as a shining soul, trapped behind a think curtain of retardation of a mild-moderate level. She seems ever happy, and she has a job as a bagger in a grocery store.

Respect for honesty has many ramifications. It means also that we do not tolerate spiteful name-calling, in order that we may honestly use accurate terms such as moron, imbecile, idiot, without a sense of meanness being attached to them.

The interesting thing with humans is that the smarter we not only are we more able we are to be dishonest, by the default condition of our souls we are more LIKELY to be dishonest. As I said, honesty must be honored and valued and worked toward.


22 posted on 09/28/2010 1:19:01 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Chunga

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A market that highly values honesty, honors it. Most assuredly there is both a practical and spiritual value in honesty — honesty is NOT the default. The default condition of humanity is self-deception and deception.

It takes effort and training to be honest. It is not the default for most of us.

Although I did meet a young woman recently who seemed completely honest — but she was an moron with Down’s Syndrome. I am not using the word moron as a slight to her, it is the word to describe her actual mental condition. See http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/whats-the-difference-idiot-vs-moron/ I could describe her as a shining soul, trapped behind a think curtain of retardation of a mild-moderate level. She seems ever happy, and she has a job as a bagger in a grocery store.

Respect for honesty has many ramifications. It means also that we do not tolerate spiteful name-calling, in order that we may honestly use accurate terms such as moron, imbecile, idiot without a sense of meanness being attached to them.

The interesting thing with humans is that it is obvious that the smarter we are the more ABLE we are to be dishonest, yet by the default condition of our souls the smarter we are the more LIKELY we are to be dishonest. To be honest we have to be trained to be honest and in a lifetime we have to continue training in order to continue being honest.

The reason for such a seemingly negative spiritual default, is that it allows us to achieve, but only with effort, a higher level of spiritual understanding.

As I said, honesty must be honored and valued and worked toward.


23 posted on 09/28/2010 1:31:12 PM PDT by bvw
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