Posted on 09/26/2010 3:45:01 AM PDT by the scotsman
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I live in No Idaho, so even store fish is fresh... but you can buy whole trout or salmon pieces... they eat heads, tails... everything. the fish deli at your market should have whole trout.
Dogs eat it?
I’m giving it to them once a week... salmon is especially good for them... great for their coat and joints.
Deboned chicken is the first ingredient listed.
My Jack Russell terrier likes it alot, but always seems hungry and is a bit overweight.
Have no scientific knowledge regarding cooked vs raw bones. A number of Vets, who are not pushing me to buy their high priced stuff, simply advise DON’T feed dogs chicken bones.
No knock against anyone here, but you go right ahead with your chicken bones, I think I’ll listen to folks I know know.
Do you feed your dogs raw meat only? No vegs no grains? Because that’s what it sounds like this woman is pushing.
Subject: How to Rate Your Dog Food How to grade your dog's food: Start with a grade of 100: 1) For every listing of "by-product" , subtract 10 points 2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points 3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points 4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points 5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (I.e. "ground brown rice", "brewers rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points 6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points 7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points 8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3points 9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points 10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points 11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points 12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points 13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog is not allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points 14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog is not allergic to beef), subtract 1 point 15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point Extra Credit: 1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points 2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points 3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points 4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points 5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points 6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points 7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points 8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points 9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points 10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point 11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point 12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point 13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point 14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point Score: 94-100+ = A 86-93 = B 78-85 = C 70-77 = D 69 and below = F Here are some foods that have already been scored. Dog Food scores: Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+ Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F Canidae / Score 112 A+ Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+ Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+ Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+ Foundations / Score 106 A+ Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 B Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D Innova Dog / Score 114 A+ Innova Evo / Score 114 A+ Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+ Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+ Purina Beneful / Score 17 F Purina Dog / Score 62 F Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+ Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+ Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+ Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A Permission to cross post.
Only the dogs of paranoid owners.
I feed absolutely no grains to my dogs. They do not have the enzyme we have that allows them to properly convert grains, thus grains turn to sugar and that is one of the reasons we have so many fat dogs (not me - society). I “may” give them some pumpkin or yams or green beans from time-to-time, but it’s not something I do regularly. I do give them Greek yogurt (higher in protein) and I try to give them Raw Green Tripe every day, if not tripe I give Excalibur which is a mix of tripe, tongue and other stuff that sounds gross and my dogs go nuts over... it is balanced in phosphorous levels and contains all the vegie matter they need. I give them free range eggs shells and all..(crush the shells)......I was paranoid in the beginning, but over the years I’ve become very laid back about it and my dogs health is proof enough for me that its a good diet.
Well, the statement that the bones shatter shows a lack of knowledge and I don’t care if it comes from a vet or where... it is falacy. Don’t believe me take a raw chicken bone and put it in some vinegar and then take a cooked bone and do the same, the raw will “digest” the cooked will not.
I second the recommendation of Flint River Ranch.
Salmon poisoning disease (SPD) is a fatal disease of dogs and other canids caused by infection with a type of rickettsia, Neorickettsia helminthoeca.[1] It results from eating raw salmon, trout, or Pacific giant salamander and is found in the Pacific Northwest. These fish and amphibians are infected with metacercariae of a fluke, Nanophyetus salmincola through an intermediate host, the snail Oxytrema plicifer. The fluke attaches to the intestine of the dog and the rickettsiae are released, causing severe gastrointestinal disease and systemic infection.
Neorickettsia elokominica, carried by the same fluke, causes a similar disease known as Elokomin fluke fever (EFF) in canids, bears, raccoons, and ferrets.[2]
Symptoms of SPD begin about one week after eating the salmon and include vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, depression, high fever, and enlarged lymph nodes. Untreated, mortality reaches 90 percent.[3] Death occurs seven to ten days after symptoms begin.[1]
Diagnosis is through finding the fluke eggs microscopically in a stool sample. A needle aspiration biopsy of an enlarged lymph node will reveal rickettsial organisms within macrophages in many cases.[4] The rickettsial infection can be successfully treated with antibiotics such as tetracycline, and the fluke infection can be treated with fenbendazole.
EFF has less severe symptoms than SPD, with less gastrointestinal signs and more lymph node involvement. The mortality in untreated cases is about ninety percent.[2]
Thanks for mentioning that... there is a concern about salmon in the Pac NW... farmed trout seem to be no problem. Plus, it is recommended that the fish be frozen for up to 48 hours, then thawed... I prepsre food for a week then freeze it all.’
My problem with farmed fish is they feed the farmed fish basically dog food and it is lacking in Omega 3 Fatty Acids. I saw an interesting article the other day written by Dr. Sears about Michelle’s so-called obesity battle and he pointed out as long as we have this huge imbalance in omega’s we are going to have a fat population. It was an interesting read and interesting reminder about how important they are for all of us. One reason I pretty much look for bison and grass-fed sources for my dogs wherever possible. I like Jack Mackeral (or I should say they do) but I worry about mercury so minimize it, too. They love sardines! Make a great treat.
That’s very interesting
LOL I had a shit eating dog....that is a funny line...but it does make cleaning up the yard a little easier....:O)
A human is capable of eating just about anything, our food tastes are cultural based...
“Have no scientific knowledge regarding cooked vs raw bones.”
On that we agree.
— Well now, I’ve never had a need or reason to talk to “a number of vets” on anything in my entire life. If I had, I rather doubt that I would have asked them all the same questions about the same subject.... dog food.
Yet behold, I did talk to my one and only vet, a vet with over 35 years of experience, and considered by many folks to be the best in my county.
My vet has 2 German Shepherd dogs of his own that he feeds the same raw diet to his dogs. He even gave me one of his personal recipes. I also discussed this subject with professional trainers and breeders. I also discussed this with two K9 LEO friends of mine. YOU and apparently your “number of vets”, are the only folks that I have run into that disagree.
For over 3 years, I have also been a member of GSD specific forums with members from all over the world. I didn’t count how many folks recommended feeding my dog a raw diet, but apparently it’s been popular and successful for a good many years, all around the world.
Instead of shooting from the hip, I researched this subject for nearly 6 months before I was comfortable with feeding raw food to my dog. I should say that my research had nothing to do with ANY other dog breed, just German Shepherd dogs.
If a dog is a gulper... eats like a starving pig, then like anything, there could be a risk. BUT, my dog takes his time and eats like a gentleman... he chews it. If he was a gulper, I would feed him the same diet, but I might remove the “death bone” and provide him smaller pieces.
It is a “cooked bone”, of any meat, that can have very serious effects on a dog. Also, even raw bones that the dog has buried and left for a time can splinter and cause problems. My dog eats in front of me and is not allowed to hide food.... actually, he doesn’t try to hide anything anymore, that issue was just there when he was a puppy.
I would not do ANYTHING to hurt my dog, I am crazy in love with him, he is with me 24/7.... oh, and I paid $4,000 for this guy.
Having said all of that, I believe that there are very good commercially made dog foods on the market. I just wanted to go what seemed to me to be a step further, because I can.
So there you go. DO NOT feed your dog raw chicken, because your dog will choke on them and die.
However, from rough estimate, my boy has eaten a quarter of a raw chicken, with raw bones, about 730 times over a period of 2 years, without any problem whatsoever, so I’ll keep feeding it to my dog.
I don’t recommend to anyone that they feed their dog a raw diet. They should do their owen research and make their own informed decision.
Bottom-line.... feed your dog what you want, just don’t let him talk to mine, because your dog will be very jealous and think that you’re a cheapskate. ;>)
Have a nice day.
Copraphagia is actually a sign the dog is missing some nutrients due to not getting all the required nutrition out of it’s food... I had a dog we adopted who had this and once he was on a healthy, raw, diet the habit stopped all on it’s own.
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