Huh? Was Erik left or right handed and why that does it matter when the officer told him to drop it?" If YOU don't know the answers to those questions, you can't make a judgement. Military training/police training teaches that you remove a weapon voluntariyl when ordered with YOUR left hand if you're right-handed, and your RIGHT HAND if you're left-handed. The weapon is usually holstered in the handed-position, but not if cross-handed-drawn.
From lvmp10 “Fact: Erik Scott complied with Mosher’s instructions. He put his hands up. He told the cop he had a gun. He was told to drop it. He attempted to comply and in the process of doing so was shot to death.
WRONG. He put up his hands; yes, but you do NOT KNOW IF HE THEN REACHED FOR THE GUN TO DRAW AND SHOOT, ORwent to surrender the weapon.
Two witnesses in a row testify that the weapon Scott was holding at the time he was shot wasn’t even accessible for fire, as it was fully enclosed in a “gun rug.”
LOL...you don't know much about holsters, I guess. A soft covered holster can be fired easily without removal from the holster at all. Likewise, just because he couldn't outdraw the officers gun which was already beaded on him, you ASSUME he never "drew the weapon". He couldn't "draw the weapon" quick enough, in this case, but the testimony also stated that the gun and holster slid 4 feet on the pavement towards the officer, and a reasonable inference can be drawn that it was in forward motion BECAUSE HIS HAND WAS IN A MOTION TO DRAW AND FIRE AT THE OFFICER WHEN HE WAS SHOT.
I hope you don't serve on a jury, where you try to hang every officer that is forced to react instantly to an armed suspect who is drunk, stoned, or ornery.
“A soft covered holster can be fired easily without removal from the holster at all.”
Not true. I have the holster and a S&W Model 60...tried it about an hour ago. Doesn’t work. Not totally impossible, but not easy.
“...but the testimony also stated that the gun and holster slid 4 feet on the pavement towards the officer, and a reasonable inference can be drawn that it was in forward motion BECAUSE HIS HAND WAS IN A MOTION TO DRAW AND FIRE AT THE OFFICER WHEN HE WAS SHOT.”
According to the testimony I’ve read about, it happened after Scott fell, not while he was being shot. That would have more to do with Scott’s fall than a draw to fire.
“Military training/police training teaches that you remove a weapon voluntariyl when ordered with YOUR left hand if you’re right-handed, and your RIGHT HAND if you’re left-handed.”
I did 25 years in the military - ok, the USAF - and I never heard that. Can you cite a source? Because if I tried to remove that holster from the 3:30 position with my left hand, I could not do it. Not possible.
“WRONG. He put up his hands; yes, but you do NOT KNOW IF HE THEN REACHED FOR THE GUN TO DRAW AND SHOOT, ORwent to surrender the weapon.”
Are you on drugs? Scary delusional.
The officer told him to drop it. If he didn’t want him to disarm or go near his gun he shouldn’t have given the order. Right? Moron.
Others yelling different conflicting orders all at the same time and he’s supposed to instantly follow the correct order in 3 tenths of a second or he’s dead. As the girlfriend said, they would have shot him no matter what he did.
The girlfriend’s account:
“In a recorded interview, Scott’s girlfriend, Samantha Sterner, describes what happened at Costco on July 10.
Sterner said she saw Scott talking to a store employee, but “he was not irritated. The Costco employee did not seem irritated. Neither one of them was hostile.”
She said neither one of them threw anything in the store. Scott went to get another shopping cart, then an employee told her to evacuate, she said.
Scott returned and they agreed to walk out to the car and drop off the gun. She said while they were walking out of the store, they saw a police officer.
“He immediately draws his weapon, immediately, without hesitation,” Sterner said in the recording.
The officers told Scott to get on the ground, she said. Scott put his hands above his head, tried to tell the officer he was going to disarm and then slowly moved his right hand down to the gun, Sterner said.
Sterner said she kept screaming at the officer: “’Do not shoot, he’s a concealed weapons holder, he’s a military officer, do not shoot.’”
“I said it a million times,” she said.
She said the officer shot Scott once, then Scott started to fall back before the officer shot him twice more. She said she didn’t see any other officers fire.
Sterner said in the recording she thinks the officer would have fired no matter what Scott did.
“He was extremely aggressive from the get-go,” she said. “I just think this officer was out of line.”
Sterner also said Scott never held the gun by the handle and it never came out of the holster, but he did hold the front of the gun to try to disarm.
It is very healthy and good that we are discussing and focusing on this.