Posted on 09/22/2010 4:21:05 PM PDT by wagglebee
http://ww5.komen.org/Content.aspx?id=16162&terms=abortion
http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content/Footer/MediaCenter/planned%20parenthood%20winer-09.pdf
Have you actually read what Komen does or are you relying on threads like this?
First time I saw one of wagglebee’s threads like this I was horrified and went to the Komen site for more info.
To my surprise, nothing Wagglebee said was proven true and wagglebee offers no proof to counter what Komen says in their published public documents.
According to their documents, they grant an average of about $36,000 each to about 20 clinics. That looks like a couple of part time nurses or other clinical support and not a lot of overhead or keeping any PP clinics in business to me.
And I don’t have a problem with Komen spending their funds as they claim that they do.
But the idea that Komen is providing support for PP clinics so that those clinics can perform abortions is not supported by any evidence. And that makes threads like this dishonest.
Here's the situation: every dollar that PP receives to perform non-abortion services frees up a dollar from their direct donors with which they can provide an abortion. In addition, any dollars from third parties they can spend doing something other than providing abortions gives them a credibility they don't deserve.
It doesn't matter whether this funding comes from Komen for breast cancer screening, from a public school district to fund sex education classes, from USAID to fund international "reproductive health" ((barf)) efforts, and so on. Every dollar that is donated for non-abortion services frees up a dollar that is donated without restriction to perform abortions.
And by the way, providing funding for breast cancer screening in inner city PP clinics is what they are admitting to directly. From what you can read on other sites, there appears to be a whole lot more funding going to PP than this leads one to believe. Keep in mind that funding may be direct or may go through third party foundations (sort of like nonprofit money laundering)
You're right. It was one hell of a shock to me when I found out I was supporting abortion by supporting Komen. I stopped on a dime.
Well, that is my exact thought, so I never took them.
They used much higher levels of estrogen or something back in the 70’s. I heard this in the 90’s— but on the net and hardly ever in the MSM. They were also linking it with higher breast cancer levels. At the time all these women in Marin were coming down with breast cancer....like a hot spot....they were on the pill and they had higher number of abortions.....so it could have been a combo...either/or...or some other toxin....maybe the soy in tofu. Ha
If it ever was in Time or Newsweek it was on a little space in the back of the magazine. I do believe I saw it in one of those magazines but it got very little coverage.
There are hospitals across the country which the poor can go to to get mammograms.
If the Komen Foundation wanted to really help in breast cancer screening, they could donate to them, or use the money to open breast clinics in poor neighborhoods. Or provide transportation for those poor women to get mammograms.
Women go to PP for abortions and birth control. Those of childbearing age are not the group that needs the breast cancer screening the most.
Giving money to an organization which doesn’t even cater to those at highest risk is ludicrous. It’s a total, irresponsible waste of money. They’re only lying by pretending to do something useful when they’re not.
I daresay there are more hospitals in poor neighborhoods than there are PP clinics.
The Komen Foundation giving money to local hospitals for breast cancer screening is going to reach far more needy women than giving it to PP clinics.
I will NEVER believe that there is a single place in this country where PP is the only free/reduced-cost health provider.
And, as I have mentioned before, mammograms ARE NOT recommended for women under the age of 40. Women who typically go to Planned Parenthood shouldn’t even be having mammograms.
Under normal circumstances, women under 40 aren't given mammograms AT ALL. They feel for lumps themselves and their doctors check during routine exam, no special funding is needed for this.
Unless someone can name a PP clinic which routinely treats significant numbers of post-menopausal women, this is a sham.
Unless someone can name a PP clinic which routinely treats significant numbers of post-menopausal women, this is a sham.
There are so many better alternatives than to give money to the primary abortion provider (baby murderers) in this country.
Komen is lying about it being about breast cancer. It's a stealth way to support PP and sucker everyone into supporting them under the guise that they're doing something good.
And people are falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.
>> yes Abortion is bad, but rooting for cancer is just creepy
The creepiness lies within your interpretation.
No one is “rooting for cancer”.
bump!
You make allegation and assertions and never offer proof.
Prove Komen wrong.
If you can.
Thanks Mark and also Metmom. I did not know there was such a close relationship b/t Komen and Planned Parenthood. I am saddened to hear about this.
Who did you think is “rooting” for cancer?
My logic works just fine - thank you. I was not aware of the connection of Susan Komen and Planned Parenthood. I HATE Planned Parenthood and hold its author, Margaret Sanger, in high disregard; well, worse actually... I think Margaret Sanger was an evil, Godless person.
Just keep in mind that most people can relate to breast cancer because they know somebody who had it - it is one of the most common(and survivable)cancers. Susan Komen made a promise to her sister and I still think the cause was noble and had good intentions. Obviously, not everyone is Christian or has a clue about some of the issues talked about on this thread. I like to educate people instead of attacking them.
I still think the comment I originally replied to was mean spirited and others on here were much clearer in making the connections to show what is going on.
Oh, and one last point. If you think that all women take birth control pills for birth control reasons, you are mistaken. There are many reasons for taking those drugs.
Especially when hospital ER's can't refuse treatment based on the inability to pay.
Women who typically go to Planned Parenthood shouldnt even be having mammograms.
You're right. Considering that there is some controversy about the role the radiation from the mammograms might play in increased breast cancer risk, they don't advise having any more than necessary.
Why don’t you discuss this with Komen?
Oh, yeah, your mind is made up already and you know exactly how they should run their business...even without checking out the facts.
Is it possible that those 20 or so clinics that receive about $36,000 average actually service women who can’t get to a hospital for mammograms as the Komen literature says?
Oh, yeah, I’ll bet you didn’t even read what they had to say, did you?
Life is so much easier when you can simply shut your eyes to facts you want to ignore, isn’t it?
I read Komen’s documents and found them far more credible than the poster’s unsubstantiated claims. Did you read them?
Wagglebee, you know sometimes if people actually made clear statements on here, some of these threads wouldn’t get so out of hand. For instance, instead of making a comment about “funding abortionists,” it would have been much better to be specific and say that they support “Planned Parenthood.” I hate Planned Parenthood because they perform abortions. However, that is not ALL they do. In supporting one’s position, it is best to give all the evidence and information. Otherwise, one is truly acting like the Left and “spinning” the info. I know all about Margaret Sanger, Eugenics, the start of Planned Parenthood and the services they offer. Because they offer abortion services, I find the organization appalling,but I can see how others who do not have my Christian or pro-life beliefs would see Planned Parenthood in a different light and tend to focus on the services they extend to the poor.
I have talked to college students who have told me they use Planned Parenthood’s services b/c they do not have insurance and it is cheap to get birth control. I have discussed my dislike of PP with some of these kids and a few of them have told me they try not to think about it. If they need birth control (and I’ve heard a million stories about why they want birth control - don’t want to get pregnant before they finish their degree; aren’t married yet; etc. etc.), they can’t afford $125 a month (which is what one young lady said it would cost her) when Planned Parenthood will give it to them for $30 a month.
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