Posted on 09/19/2010 8:10:19 PM PDT by Mozilla
” Krauthammer is definitly an inside the beltway type, but he’s not a RINO, IMO”
Charles can be both tough, and at times stuck on his own analysis.
For some reason it appears to me he wants to see O’Donnell lose to affect Palin’s credibility.
Gershon plays a Republican by day, but is a Democrat by night. He is a progressive hiding in sheep’s clothing. You are right that anything coming from the Washington Post is far left talking points. But now this mentality is spreading outside of liberal progressive papers and tv channels as evidenced this past week.
” I served in the military. I know how training was done to allay the queasiness of those who didn’t want to kill other human beings”
Thanks for your service.
Also being a vet, along with father ( Normandy), grandfather (WW 1 trenches) I/we understand the fear, and also the reality of facing the end of your own life at the hands of another.
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The fact that Rove was in Delaware doing some 'pre-campaigning" for Castle tells us what we need to know about him. He tried to persuade the Tea Party voters to support Castle, his RINO choice.
He definitely knows that Castle supported the Obama trash agenda & he is & was in favor of that.
Christine being trashed by him & the rest of the RINOs is outrageous. We need to get answers from them about WHY Castle's record is better than hers. We need to go through his voting record & make them squirm while they try to defend it.
It's time to start comparing the difference between Castle being elected & the RAT that Christine is running against. There is no difference in their support of the Obama agenda. Why is this okay with the RINOs?????
Christine for the win 100%
Excellent find on the gun control quote.
Anyone who says what he said is not a Conservative. He should be “and on the left”.
Not taking up a Republican chair on a panel show.
Trotskyites gone from the Republican Party.
Krauthammer - gone.
Kristol - gone.
Gerson - gone.
Thank you for sharing that quote and sourcing it! No conservative would ever utter such nonsense.
And all this time I thought that Kraut was simply a misogynistic, inside the beltway, haughty old-boys club elitist. Never did I think he was hiding such leftist ideology but sure enough...there it is.
Christine has no voting record on anything. Rove has a hard time taking such a Senatorial candidate seriously. There are 100 US Senators who are treated like royalty in DC. Their power is tremendous. DC denizens like Rove and Krauthammer are very aware of this
It's time to start comparing the difference between Castle being elected & the RAT that Christine is running against. There is no difference in their support of the Obama agenda. Why is this okay with the RINOs?????
You are correct about all that. Don't get me wrong. I would vote for Christine if I lived in Delaware
Thanks for your service.
Being that you've served, I can ask you this:
If you had been ordered to enforce a martial law decree, with the possibility of having to use deadly force against American citizens, would you have obeyed that order?
What affect would your oath have had on your decision?
That was the point of my original post. If, in the rather closed society of military service, I had been convinced by propaganda that those citizens were a clear and present danger to the duly constituted government, I would probably consider it my duty to obey the authority over me.
My oath is to defend the Constitution. When I’m in the armed forces, my inputs are heavily biased toward those from my superiors.
You simply cannot assume that all service people are well-informed Free Republic participants.
Once the shooting begins, even by a few, no matter on what side, the rule is “you’ll shoot them if you know that they’ll shoot you if you don’t.”
We're not just talking about "those citizens." We're talking about the entire population of the US, from coast to coast.
And, as far as propaganda goes, do you really think that a president who doesn't have the overwhelming support of his troops could successfully convince the entire hierarchy of the military on down, that they should turn their arms against their own people?
Think about how compelling the case for martial law would have to be, in order for the whole US military to agree to use deadly force against their friends, countrymen, neighbors, and relatives.
It's true that most military people aren't Freepers, but they also don't live in a vacuum. They hear the news, and read the internet, just like we do. You think they wouldn't realize that a rogue president was attempting to use them as a tool to illegally subjugate The People, and thereby DESTROY the Constitution?
First, you’re dealing with hypothetical situations.
Second, “those citizens” are at most 30% of the voters of this country, and of those, only a VERY small percentage would take up arms. The govt only has to find a whipping boy, a small group of citizen “agitators” to justify a localized martial law.
Third, you don’t know how much support the president has in the military. FR is an echo chamber in this regard.
Fourth, only a relatively few officers and soldiers have to be convinced. The Joint Chiefs are political types who will do what they have to in order to retain their status. From there down the chain, only the ones who obey move forward. The rest are put in chains by those who obey.
Fifth, as the news of imprisonments moves down the chain, fewer are willing to pay the price, so they obey. Not all, but just a few.
Sixth, the ones who are deployed are indeed ready to fight. One incendiary episode is all it takes. Soldiers fire first or citizens, it doesn’t matter.
Seventh, what began as a limited area of martial law becomes the rallying cry for other outbreaks, “justifying” more declarations of martial law.
Eighth, the new rule becomes, “Shoot them because if you don’t, they will shoot you first.”
In the end you have countrymen killing each other. All theoretical and philosophical discussions are moot.
I simply believe that the power of propaganda is very strong in a large enough percentage of people to accomplish seemingly crazy and unthinkable things.
I would like to think that I would not follow such an order, no matter what. I certainly had no desire to kill “gooks” in the Vietnam war, regardless of what I was told in training. It was there that I was told, “you’ll kill them, because if you don’t they’ll kill you.” Not a whole lot of moralizing in that statement.
BTW, I had three sets of orders to Vietnam rescinded for reasons I have never found out, so I never had to test the “kill or be killed” notion. Actually, I finally ended up in a hospital lab. So, thanks for the thanks, but I’m certainly no hero.
Be a Former Republican Presidential Staffer and then publicly denounce Conservatives...
Then publish your book...
My dad did three tours of Vietnam, and spent a lot of time in hostile country, but he'd argue with you, if you called him a hero.
Your service to your country counts as much as anyone's does.
Second, “those citizens” are at most 30% of the voters of this country, and of those, only a VERY small percentage would take up arms.
It appears that you're doing a bit of hypothesizing yourself. How do you come to the conclusion that "those citizens" only comprise 30% of the voting public? Why not 50%, or even 70% (which I think is a lot closer to reality)?
And, how are you figuring that "only a VERY small percentage" would take up arms? Once armed troops are killing people in the street under orders from their CIC, the breakdown in the civil compact will be complete, and primeval survival instincts will take over. I'd hazard that a LOT more citizens would choose to fight back, rather than submit to the alternative.
You've also got to factor in what would happen if US military killed even ONE citizen in a limited martial law situation. Even one civilian death at the hands of the military would put the rest of the armed American populace on high alert, and would likely lead to an outbreak of armed insurrection across the country.
Remember that 90 million Americans are armed. 90 million. If only one in ten picked up a weapon and headed out the door, you're talking about an army of 900,000. That's an insurgency that is a third bigger than the entire US military, combined.
All of this, of course, presupposes that our military would even obey the order to begin with. I have serious doubts about that.
“you made me google her”
LOL, I wondered if you knew or not.
exit, Those books are great, well the first one is great, the second is OK and the third one I’m waiting for it to get great, but I’ve been assured by reliable sources that it will.
If you enjoy mystery/thrillers you can’t go wrong with these.
The characters are so three dimensional, you really feel like you know them.
And when you think the author, Steig Larson was a stone cold communist who wrote them for his own amusement, it is amazing. There is no commie stuff in them at all, but of course “the one” against “the powerful”, but there are rich, powerful people who are good too.
I heard Rush Limbaugh say the other day he’d never read any books as fast as he read these.
And then the author just up and died, so it’s romantic like that too!
Just the strangest legacy for the man to leave behind, but lucky for us readers!
Rove and Krauthammer aren’t likely to zip their lips. Rove and Krauthammer see O’Donnell and the Tea Party movement in general as a real threat. Both men spent years cultivating access to power. They have ties and influence within the governing elite, which they belong to.
Then suddenly into their carefully planned world comes an insurgent movement. And it’s not just any old insurgent movement, it’s an insurgency that turns out to be impervious to their attempts to control it, at least at this point. Then the Tea Party began knocking off their comrades. This cannot stand! They have no influence over the Tea Party candidates, and the Tea Partiers aren’t interested in cutting deals with the hacks who brought the country to where it is.
Rove, Krauthammer and their kind may stop being so open in their hostility to the Tea Party, but that will be a tactical move. They are generating sympathy for the Tea Party and angering their own former supporters. They are in the process of figuring this out. And when they do they will find a different way to try to sabotage the Tea Party candidates.
The Bushes always have been part of the northeastern establishment of the GOP. Reagan’s biggest mistakes were amnesty and selecting George Bush as VP. He should have followed his instincts and gone with Paul Laxalt, who shared Reagan’s conservative vision. GHW Bush replaced Reagan’s conservatism with his own ‘kinder, gentler’ nonsense. And his son was even worse.
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