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To: GourmetDan
I didn't present you with a false dilemma.

The passage from Genesis was explicitly clear: it said all men. Not some, not most, not a large percentage, not a few. All.

For that passage from Genesis to be true, all men had to be involved.

Now, I can imagine a real-life scenario in which some men were involved, or most, or maybe just a really vocal minority. Perhaps a small gang of thugs. But all the male members of a given human settlement as determined rapists? I find that highly improbable, simply because I can't see how such a society could have even existed for one second to form itself into a society. They'd all be gang-raping each other left and right. Who the hell would stick around, especially the women?

But the Bible says all men.

Either the Bible is accurate, and all men in Sodom were gang-rapists, or the person who authored Genesis took a bit of poetic license when he chose the word "all".

If you believe the Bible reflects the literal word of God, you have no choice, then, but to believe that every single man-jack in Sodom was a gang-rapist.

270 posted on 09/21/2010 2:22:46 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"I didn't present you with a false dilemma. The passage from Genesis was explicitly clear: it said all men. Not some, not most, not a large percentage, not a few. All. For that passage from Genesis to be true, all men had to be involved."

Sure you did. And I already explained twice that the account in Genesis isn't the problem.

" Now, I can imagine a real-life scenario in which some men were involved, or most, or maybe just a really vocal minority. Perhaps a small gang of thugs. But all the male members of a given human settlement as determined rapists? I find that highly improbable, simply because I can't see how such a society could have even existed for one second to form itself into a society. They'd all be gang-raping each other left and right. Who the hell would stick around, especially the women? But the Bible says all men."

Right back at it, are you? Did you really think I wouldn't notice?

" Either the Bible is accurate, and all men in Sodom were gang-rapists, or the person who authored Genesis took a bit of poetic license when he chose the word "all". If you believe the Bible reflects the literal word of God, you have no choice, then, but to believe that every single man-jack in Sodom was a gang-rapist."

The Bible is accurate, however presenting your particular characterization of an event and insisting that I have no choice is the epitome of the fallacy of the false dilemma.

271 posted on 09/21/2010 2:42:46 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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