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To: stuartcr
This "predestination-free will" argument has caused more splits and dissention in Churches than just about anything else. On the one hand, God is God. He is omniscient and omnipresent and omnipotent and several other "omni's" as well. He therefore knows everything, including what we will and won't do. But that implies Human beings have no free will. If all our behaviors and failings are ordained and made by God, then what right has He to judge us?

My understanding of scripture is that they are both true. God does predestine things, but at the same time we do have free will and are therefore culpable for our actions. And if anyone says that is impossible, I can only answer that for Man that is so, but for God all things are possible. Maybe God does know what we will do, but chooses to set aside that knowledge. After all, there is a precedent for Him doing things like that...

145 posted on 09/21/2010 5:55:32 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

I believe that “predestination-free will” thing comes into being because time has no meaning for God. He sees everything, from beginning to end. That is hard for man to understand since we are constrained by time. Because God sees it all we mistake that for “predestination”. Simply having knowledge doesn’t mean responsibility for man’s choices.


148 posted on 09/21/2010 6:03:12 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Vanders9

It does not imply that we have no free will. It means that our free will, does NOT trump God’s plan for each of us. We are always responsible for our actions here on earth while we live.

Perhaps He doesn’t judge us? Maybe He thanks us and rewards us for carrying out His plan, even if it meant our suffering here on earth. After all, He has suffered for us, hasn’t He? The least we can do, is pay Him back in our meager ways.

It appears that we both agree that with God all things are possible.

Nite for now, going to bed.


151 posted on 09/21/2010 6:06:45 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Vanders9

My understanding of scripture is that they are both true. God does predestine things, but at the same time we do have free will and are therefore culpable for our actions. And if anyone says that is impossible, I can only answer that for Man that is so, but for God all things are possible.


Good answer but one that does not make logical worldly sense. You would have to actually read the Bible to accept this answer.


158 posted on 09/21/2010 6:16:10 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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