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To: fightinJAG

The West does not accept this because they want to show that they care about other humans. The problem is that no matter what you try to do to help there are some groups of humans who just won’t accept the help. After a certain point you are wasting time and resources that could benefit groups who will accept help, change, and try to make their lives better.


65 posted on 09/15/2010 7:31:18 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950
This is why I think turning it around on the West, so to speak, is appropriate.

Since demonstrably the West has everything known to man to "help" Africa and Africans, and they still haven't become developed, we should start accepting that:

(1) this is the chosen lifestyle and standard of living; and,

(2) what a people chooses for itself -- especially in light of many available alternatives -- should be respected, even if it ultimately leads to the demise of that people or their civilization.

Instead of continuing to view this as a situation about which we must "show we care about other human beings" by, essentially, offering them what WE see as the model for success, why don't we change the mantra to "showing we care about other human beings" by respecting that they want to live out their tribal heritage, walk miles for water, dig for roots and suffer the joys as well as trials (drought, disease, infant mortality, etc.) of their accepted lifestyle and standard of living?

IOW, let's start saying we finally have realized that showing care for Africans at some point means respecting that they are going to do it their way.

66 posted on 09/15/2010 10:16:06 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: RJS1950
This is why I think turning it around on the West, so to speak, is appropriate.

Since demonstrably the West has everything known to man to "help" Africa and Africans, and they still haven't become developed, we should start accepting that:

(1) this is the chosen lifestyle and standard of living; and,

(2) what a people chooses for itself -- especially in light of many available alternatives -- should be respected, even if it ultimately leads to the demise of that people or their civilization.

Instead of continuing to view this as a situation about which we must "show we care about other human beings" by, essentially, offering them what WE see as the model for success, why don't we change the mantra to "showing we care about other human beings" by respecting that they want to live out their tribal heritage, walk miles for water, dig for roots and suffer the joys as well as trials (drought, disease, infant mortality, etc.) of their accepted lifestyle and standard of living?

IOW, let's start saying we finally have realized that showing care for Africans at some point means respecting that they are going to do it their way.

67 posted on 09/15/2010 10:17:32 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: RJS1950

Sorry for the duplicate post previously. Mouse fart, I guess.

Also thinking: another way to articulate my points is this:

The West has been like the Obama administration on Obamacare. We essentially keep telling the Africans “if you only REALLY understood what we’re offering you, you’d jump at the chance to have a developed/Western lifestyle.”

Essentially, the Africans are saying, “You think we want to or need to change, but we don’t agree. Butt out.”


68 posted on 09/15/2010 10:20:35 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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