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What’s At Stake In Delaware
Red State ^
| September 13, 2010
| Dan McLaughlin
Posted on 09/13/2010 4:53:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
The picture, looking at the polls, is predictably grim for ODonnell; as Neil Stevens has catalogued here and here, polling shows fairly convincingly that ODonnell isnt even as popular with Republicans in the general election as Castle, even before you get to independents and Democrats. The PPP poll showing ODonnell pulling to a within-the-margin-of-error 47-44 lead among likely primary voters may establish that shes electable in a primary that doesnt even draw all Republican voters to the polls, but it certainly doesnt suggest that shes a strong candidate:
GOP voters are pretty sharply divided about ODonnell as well. 45% have a favorable opinion of her with 41% seeing her unfavorably. Only 50% of primary voters think shes fit to hold public office but she does much better than Castle on the ideology front- 53% think shes about right.
If you believe in supporting the most conservative viable candidate, theres still a rather persuasive argument that you have to back Castle because ODonnells just not viable, and Castle is - if nothing else - more conservative than Chris Coons. Even some arguments for ODonnell, like Ericks view that ODonnell shouldnt be a priority to Jeffrey Lords argument that losing elections today helps build to victories tomorrow, assume that ODonnell is basically a sacrificial lamb. Democratic observers seem inclined to give Delaware a pass if Castle wins, but possibly jump into the race if facing ODonnell.
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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: castle; christineodonnell; delaware; election; mikecastle; odonnell; senate
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; MplsSteve; neverdem; colorado tanker; justiceseeker93
I hate to come out against a conservative who’s as beautiful and sincere as Christine O’Donnell, but she isn’t a viable candidate. Many conservatives are angry at the state party for the attacks on O’Donnell, and that’s understandable. But they are forgetting one thing. If the Republicans hadn’t brought these things up and O’Donnell won the primary, you can bet that the ‘Rat Party would have brought it up and made it front page news. There were some who opposed Sharron Angle on those same grounds and Nevada is far, far more conservative than Delaware is.
I admit that Mike Castle is easy to dislike, but he’s really our only shot.
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posted on
09/13/2010 4:58:14 PM PDT
by
Clintonfatigued
(Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
To: Clintonfatigued
just not viable, From now on, when ANYONE uses this line, we should translate it automatically to mean: "I am a liberal"
So it would read, "Christine ODonnell cannot win because I am a liberal.
I can't tell you how angry this "viability" nonsense is. Pro sports teams that are near 50% record still plan and play every game as if they MAY get a shot at the playoffs. They don't go, Gee, looking at our roster and the few losses we've had so far, we probably won't make the play offs so let's just go hang out and watch a movie.
If we are gong to die? Then die with our boots on!
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posted on
09/13/2010 4:58:25 PM PDT
by
RachelFaith
(2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
To: Clintonfatigued
If you believe in supporting the most conservative viable candidate, And that person is so socialist that they are the same as the democrat, then you just used "viability" as an excuse to help create a climate where socialists are permenently in power.
Odds are, if you do that you will continually attack people who stand for their convictions, because their actions reveal you to be a coward and a fool.
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posted on
09/13/2010 4:58:57 PM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
To: RachelFaith
You have to remember the constituancy. Delaware is not Utah, South Carolina, or even Nevada. Obama remains very popular in Delaware, which hasn’t voted Republican for President since 1988.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:00:05 PM PDT
by
Clintonfatigued
(Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
To: Clintonfatigued; Fishtalk
Whoever wrote this, do they live in Delaware? It sounds like the same old regurgitation we’ve been hearing from the DE GOP for the last week. The Big Lie... they hope to make this true but there are a lot of rank and file going to the polls tomorrow for the exclusive delight of kicking Castle out in the primary AND showing Tom Ross of the DE GOP that we country folk below the Canal have had it with the Greenville Republicans and their party hacks.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:02:18 PM PDT
by
pray4liberty
(dare I say it??)
To: Clintonfatigued
Michael Medved, the McCain fellating RINO, was savaging O’Donnell on the radio today. All the more reason to vote for her
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:03:34 PM PDT
by
pissant
(THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
To: Clintonfatigued
Find the REAL Republican
Hmmm, let's see......
Vote - Sept. 14th - Tomorrow!
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:03:40 PM PDT
by
DelaWhere
(Better to be prepared one year early than one day late!)
To: Clintonfatigued
Sorry, dude. Castle MUST be defeated, period. We don’t drive a stake through the corrupt RINO liberal establishment’s cold, undead heart NOW, then they will knife us in the back.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:04:10 PM PDT
by
fieldmarshaldj
(~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
To: Clintonfatigued
“I admit that Mike Castle is easy to dislike, but hes really our only shot.”
I disagree. A RINO win is worst than a CommieCrate win.
RINOs are poison because they weaken GOP brand. As far as the count for chairmanships, Rush happened to cover this point today.
Only principled conservatives can reverse the successful commie attack that has been inflicted upon the Republic. Half-hearted RINOs impede conservative effectiveness. It is better to have them in the CommieCrate camp.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:04:55 PM PDT
by
J Edgar
To: Clintonfatigued
Delaware, which hasnt voted Republican for President since 1988. Massachusetts just flipped Kennedy's seat.
Russ Fiengold is going to lose too.
The Boxer is toast in CA
This is the year. This is the time. The old rules do not apply in 2010. This election is our one last great chance to make it MEAN something.
And since we are GOING to win control, even without Delaware, I am willing to lose that one to send the RINOs a message.
That message I cannot post, as it would violate FR's posting terms. All three of them. But, I bet everyone know what that message is.
So I will use the more common version from WWII. NUTS!
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:07:05 PM PDT
by
RachelFaith
(2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
To: Clintonfatigued
I admit that Mike Castle is easy to dislike, but hes really our only shot. Please. I live here. I saw him in the parades over the summer, and Delawareans are so disgusted with him, they turned their heads when he flounced by. Not a good sign.
In contrast, the people cheered for Christine.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:07:10 PM PDT
by
pray4liberty
(dare I say it??)
To: RachelFaith
"just not viable," - From now on, when ANYONE uses this line, we should translate it automatically to mean: "I am a liberal" Because it's easier to make an ad hominem argument than discuss the facts.
Pro sports teams that are near 50% record still plan and play every game as if they MAY get a shot at the playoffs.
And if they have a guy who has lousy form and throws interceptions but manages to win the game, they put that guy at quarterback rather than the rookie who has the perfect spiral but doesn't know where the recievers are going to be, they pick the flawed guy who wins over the perfect-looking guy who loses.
And if they are 50% but actually HAVE a chance to win the playoffs still, they don't throw away the season by playing all their rookies because they are the future, they try to win THIS season.
I hate sports analogies, but to the degree yours is applicable, it tells us to vote for Castle, who can win this season, rather than O'Donnell, who is a nod to the future conservatism we want to have elected.
The issue is twofold. First, whether there is any chance O'Donnell could win the general election, and second, whether you care if she can win or not.
You can argue that she could win the general election, or you can argue that she can't, but we still need to pick her to send a message.
But you can't argue that everybody who disagrees with you must be a liberal. Well, you could, but it's a stupid argument, especially when you don't back it up with any facts.
To: J Edgar; fieldmarshaldj
AGREED!
A loss, if that is indeed the fate, is better; that a flawed but conservative is fallen, in the honor of battle, than to surrender to a RINO for the dishonor which is expediency.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:10:24 PM PDT
by
RachelFaith
(2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
To: Clintonfatigued
To: Clintonfatigued
I admit that Mike Castle is easy to dislike, but hes really our only shot. Blinding party loyalty.
It's like voting for everything Obama wants because he is the President of my beloved country, the U.S.A.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:12:06 PM PDT
by
EGPWS
(Trust in God, question everyone else)
To: J Edgar
Well said. We need to be in this for the long haul. If we don’t stand for something we’ll fall for anything. Before we can conquer liberalism we need to be fortified in our core beliefs.
To: RachelFaith
Yes, Massachusetts went “Republican”, with a candidate who is pro-gay-right, pro-abortion, but promised to vote with us on Obamacare, just like Castle. Since election, that candidate didn’t stop Obamacare, but did become the deciding vote for Obama’s wall street takeover.
That candidate was supported by a large number of Freepers as “the best we could do in Mass.”. So don’t tell me we don’t understand the concept, or support it when we have to. People who otherwise give RINOS grief actually sent MONEY to a pro-abortion candidate, just to stop Obamacare.
For people who believe the most important issue in the next two years is Obamacare, they will probably vote Castle, because he will win the general election, and he opposes Obamacare.
BTW, I’m not going to get into a contest over how much of a RINO Castle is compared to Scott Brown. So far as I can tell, Brown is better than Castle. But Brown is a great example of a RINO so many say we don’t need in the Senate under any circumstances, but many of those same people told us to vote for him last year.
To: RachelFaith
The morons in the RNC think the old rules still apply. That’s why they are morons.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:13:56 PM PDT
by
pissant
(THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
To: Clintonfatigued
I hate to come out against a conservative whos as beautiful and sincere as Christine ODonnell, but she isnt a viable candidate. By whose standards? By your definition, NOBODY new is a viable candidate other than incumbent RINOS and party-anointed, and look what a mess this country is in because of Castle and his ilk!
I'll take my chances with Christine, thanks. It is the height of arrogance to say someone is not a viable candidate before the people get to vote.
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posted on
09/13/2010 5:14:29 PM PDT
by
pray4liberty
(dare I say it??)
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