Posted on 09/10/2010 6:44:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
Is there anyone who has not weighed in on the Saturday night, Sept. 11, bonfire of the Qurans at the Rev. Terry Jones' Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla.?
Gen. David Petraeus warns the Quran burnings could inflame the Muslim world and imperil U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Hillary Clinton declares it "disgraceful." Sarah Palin calls it a "provocation." President Obama calls it "a recruitment bonanza for al-Qaida. You could have serious violence in ... Pakistan and Afghanistan," and Muslims could be inspired "to blow themselves up."
The State Department has put U.S. embassies on alert in the near 50 countries where Muslims are a majority. The Vatican calls the bonfire "an outrageous and grave gesture. ... No one burns the Quran."
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the defender of the ground zero mosque, is consistent. Burning Islam's most sacred book is "distasteful," he says, but the "First Amendment protects everybody."
Everybody frets and wrings their hands. No one acts.
Yet if, as President Obama and his commanding general both say, the torching of hundreds of Qurans could so enrage the Islamic world as to incite terror-bombings against U.S. troops and imperial our war effort, why does not the commander in chief send U.S. marshals to arrest this provocateur and abort his provocation?
For Jones, who sells t-shirts saying "Islam is of the Devil," may be an Islamophobe, but he is also a serious man, willing to live with the consequences of his deeds, even if he causes U.S. war casualties.
The questions raised by his deliberate provocation are not so much about him, then, as they are about us.
Are we a serious nation? Is Obama up to being a war president?
Constantly, we hear praise of Lincoln, Wilson and FDR as war leaders.
Yet President Lincoln arrested thousands of citizens and locked them up as security risks, while denying them habeas corpus. He shut newspapers and sent troops to block Maryland's elections, fearing Confederate sympathizers would win and take Maryland out of the Union.
President Wilson shut down antiwar newspapers, prosecuted editors, and put Socialist presidential candidate and war opponent Eugene Debs in prison, leaving him to rot until Warren Harding released him and invited the dangerous man over to the White House for dinner.
California Gov. Earl Warren and FDR collaborated to put 110,000 Japanese, 75,000 of them U.S. citizens, into detention camps for the duration of the war and ordered the Department of Justice to prosecute antiwar conservatives.
During Korea, Harry Truman seized the steel mills when a threatened strike potentially imperiled production of war munitions. Richard Nixon went to court to block publication of the Pentagon papers until the Supreme Court decided publication could go forward.
This is not written to defend those war measures or those wars. It is to say that if a president takes a nation to war, and commits men to their deaths, as Obama did in doubling the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, he should be prepared to do what is within his power to protect those troops.
And if Petraeus says letting Jones set this bonfire could imperil U.S. troops, Obama should act to stop it. And if he is so paralyzed by uncertainty as to whether he can do anything -- and, as a result, soldiers die -- what would that tell us about their commander in chief?
Would stopping Jones and confiscating the Qurans violate Jones' First Amendment rights? Perhaps. And perhaps not. But if Eric Holder cannot find a charge against Davis, or an inherent power of a war president to prevent actions imminently damaging to the war effort, Obama should find some Justice Department attorneys who can.
Let the ACLU make the case that interfering with Davis' bonfire violates his First Amendment rights. Let a U.S. court decide whether Obama has the power to take a decision previous wartime presidents would have taken without hesitation.
And if Obama does not have the power to stop actions like this, imperiling our troops, then we should get out of this war.
This episode reveals the gulf between us and the Islamic world. Despite all our talk of universal values, tens of millions of Muslims, in countries not only hostile but friendly, believe that a sacrilege against their faith, like the burning of the Quran by a single American oddball, justifies the killing of Americans. What kind of compatibility can there be between us?
What do we have in common with people who believe that evangelism by other faiths in their societies merits the death penalty, as do conversions to Christianity, while promiscuity and adultery justify stonings, lashings and beheadings.
And what does it say about our ability to fight and win a "long war" in the Islamic world if our war effort can be crippled by a solitary pastor with 50 families in his church who decides to have a book burning?
Action creates consensus, Mr. President. People follow when a leader leads.
1)We are at war with the Islamic world whether we want to admit it or not....and it is a very different war.
2) Like the Russians,Germans or Japanese of previous wars, not all of the enemy is evil.
3) Would our grandparents threw a hissy fit over the burning of Mein Kampf????
4) Our troops are already in grave danger...is there another kind of danger they should be afraid of???
You can best believe that this “crisis” has someone in government looking for a way to extend the scope of “hate crimes”. Muslims will become a protected “religion” while so-called “artists” will continue to be funded by the taxpayer to exhibit crosses in urine. Free speech will be further eroded except when the target is Christianity, which will be further characterised as singularly “bigoted” and “radical” and in need of close watching.
How do you think we fight a war?
Maybe we wouldn’t have to fight a war if we stood up to them. They attack because we are weak.
King Fahd’s newphew aka The King has major investments/shareholding in 4 of the 6 TV networks plus deals with the 5th.
Do you wonder why ALL of TV loves their Kenyan agent and Islam?
Americans gave up their liberty for a TV clicker.
Mrs. Phelps was just on a Seattle radio station saying they will burn it along with an American flag. This is just getting nuts.
The interesting thing is, Qurans have been burned and desecrated in other ways in the U.S. and other countries before. This is just the first time the media is making a circus out of it. The nut in Florida should of had an audience of about 50, and that's it. It should of gone unnoticed outside of that zip code. Now the media, if they are disappointed on Saturday, will chase down every burning they are made aware of, until they get the desired results - which is outrage against America.
This fight is eventually going to take place so I am not sure avoiding provocation while we are fighting them there is the solution. As 9/11 showed and with the growing illegal immigration problem, the battle has and will be brought to us if we allow it.
Exactly. They are testing the boundaries, and sure enough everytime they push, we move back. They’re not going to have to take over violently, the West is goimg to wind up surrendering.
What a conundrum this presents the anti-war leftist. Do they blaspheme the first commandment of multiculturalism and burn Korans to incite violent retribution against American soldiers, thus increasing the chance for a pull out, or do they reframe from the burnings and thus support American troop mission? Deep thoughts.
this whole event confirms two things
muslims are evil (yeah Of course there’s “some good ones” good luck trying to find them though)
and americans are stupid enough to let muslims threatening violence trump constitutional rights
I always try to remain optimistic about america’s survivial, but during the last few days the country has done more to flush itself down the toilet than I have seen in a long time.
Not burning those Koran’s is Terrorist Appeasement...and considered a victory “over the infidel” by Islamic Terrorists
I could care less about the Westboro Baptist Church or Dove World. But I hate Islamic terrorists worse and I see know reason to give these ignorant morons stuck in the 7th century veto rights of the 1st amendment.
I am beginning to connect the dots that we are enslaved to the Saudis without realizing it - and have been for decades.
I’m not going to question the judgement of David Petraeus but aren’t our troops already in”Danger”?
Great post!!!
The second sentence of my post applies to him.
I agree - f -em.
know =no
I'll question it. By even mentioning these guys, Petraeus made sure everybody in Afghanistan knew about this stupid church.
Of course they are, but there is no need to even to put them in more danger, is there?
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