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Former President Bush to speak at Reagan Library in November (Perspective on Leadership Forum)
VC Star ^ | 9/08/10 | Michele Willer-Allred

Posted on 09/08/2010 9:16:28 PM PDT by Libloather

Former President Bush to speak at Reagan Library in November
By Michele Willer-Allred
Ventura County Star
Posted September 8, 2010 at 10:22 a.m.

Former President George W. Bush will be speaking at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum on Nov. 18.

As part of the library’s “Perspective on Leadership Forum,” Bush will be discussing his memoir “Decision Points,” which brings readers inside the Texas governor’s mansion on the night of the hotly contested 2000 election, and aboard Air Force One on 9/11 in the hours after the attack on the World Trade Center Towers.

The book also goes into detail about Bush at the head of the table in the Situation Room in the moments before launching the war in Iraq, and at the Oval Office during controversial decisions on the financial crisis, Hurricane Katrina and other notable events.

(Excerpt) Read more at vcstar.com ...


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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
PS For the most part I like GWB but "he kept us safe" is bad logic.

It's an extremely safe assumption. His administration routed terror cells throughout this country and all over the world for seven years.

Your appeal to logic is moronic.

81 posted on 09/12/2010 6:26:55 PM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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To: ohioWfan
I've seen this one before...in a couple of different incarnations. Everything about him spells "R-E-T-R-E-A-D."

Or is that "R-E-T-A-R-D?" LOL.

82 posted on 09/12/2010 6:42:58 PM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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To: Chunga
HA! Nice anagram there, Chunga.

I should have figured this was a retread. Probably been banned a number of times as a troll and keeps reincarnating himself.

Whoever he is, he lies BIG time, says incredibly stupid things, and makes personally abusive, albeit goofy insults.... and he's a really, really bad judge of character to boot.

President Bush should be honored to have such a bad egg hate him........and we should too. :)

83 posted on 09/12/2010 7:07:44 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Chunga
Your appeal to logic is moronic.

Sorry if I rubbed your fur the wrong way, however logic is not moronic. It allows one to determine if a proposition is true or false and even if it can be determined to be true or false. Powerful stuff that you cannot disprove so you launch a personal attack. You have a very strange idea of how to conduct a discussion. I will accept your assertion if you can provide me with a list of the terrorist attacks that did not happen under GWB's administration. If you can't there is only one moron in this discussion and it ain't me.

84 posted on 09/12/2010 7:51:02 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
logic is not moronic.

I repeat: Your appeal to logic is moronic.

I will accept your assertion if you can provide me with a list of the terrorist attacks that did not happen under GWB's administration. If you can't there is only one moron in this discussion and it ain't me.

Happy reading, genius.

May 2002, Jose Padilla ‘Dirty Bomb’ Plot

American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced “dirty bomb” to use in an attack against America.

Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.

2002 Aviation Plots

Al Qaeda leader in Southeast Asia known as Hambali recruited Jemaah Islamiyah of Asian origin. Plot derailed in early 2002 with international cooperation.

September 2002, Lackawanna Six

FBI Thwarted the locally recruited terrorist cell the “Lackawanna 6” by the capture of Juma al-Dosari in Afghanistan and subsequent interrogation while imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Six American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan.

Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.

Summer/Fall 2001: FBI agents in New York receive anonymous tips from Yemeni-American community in New York that a local group of men is conspiring and training with Al Qaeda to commit acts of terrorism against the U.S.

Several implicated men are put on the FBI terrorist watch list and detained upon return from Pakistan.

Al Dosari is captured in Afghanistan in November 2001 and subsequently reveals the greater plot in New York to recruit.

“Lackawanna 6” were arrested and convicted of supporting Al Qaeda and plotting terrorist acts.

May 2003, Brooklyn Bridge Plot

American citizen Iyman Faris was charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.

After being introduced to Al Qaeda operatives, NY & federal authorities intercepted a plan to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge by cutting suspension cables as well as potentially derailing a train en route to Washington, D.C.

Faris was arrested by the FBI after they intercepted a phone call to Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan.

Faris was offered and accepted a deal to work as a double-agent for the U.S., helping the FBI with their anti-terrorist intelligence collection.

June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network

11 men from Alexandria, VA, trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.

11 Muslim men were charged in U.S. District Court in Alexandria with training with and fighting for Lashkar-i-Taiba (a group fighting the Indian government that the U.S. government considers a terrorist organization.

Several members of the group were found to have trained for future attacks by using paintball facilities in the Northern Virginia area.

August 2004, Financial Centers Plot

Dhiren Barot Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers.

Barot plotted a “memorable black day of terror” via a dirty bomb that targeted financial institutions in NY, D.C. and Newark.

Barot was arrested at his home in Pakistan with the cooperation and help of U.S. and U.K. anti-terror authorities.

August 2004, Penn Station Plot

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj sought to plant a bomb at New York’s Penn Station near Madison Square Garden during the Republican National Convention.

The New York City Police Departments Intelligence Division helped to conduct an investigation leading to the arrests.

An undercover agent infiltrated the group, provided information to authorities, and later testi fied against Elshafay and Siraj.

August 2004, Pakistani Diplomat Assasination Plot

Two leaders of an Albany, New York, mosque, Aref and Mohammed Hossain, were charged with plotting to purchase a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat.

An investigation by the FBI, the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and the local police contributed to the arrest.

With the help of an informant, the FBI was able to set up a sting that lured Mohammed Hos sain into a fake terrorist conspiracy. Hossain brought Yassin Araf, a Kurdish refugee, as a wit­ness. The informant offered details of a fake terror ist plot, claiming that he needed the missiles to murder a Pakistani diplomat in New York City. Both agreed to help.

June 2005, Father and son Terror Camp Plot

In California, Pakistani immigrants Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, father and son, were arrested in June 2005 after allegedly lying to the FBI about the son’s attendance at an Islamic terrorist training camp in Pakistan.

Umer and Hamid Hayat were charged with attending terrorist camp training in Pakistan and later found guilty of sup porting terrorism and customs violations.

The son, Hamid Hayat, was sentenced to 24 years for supporting terrorism while the father, Umer Hayat, was convicted of customs violations including an attempt to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.

August 2005, Orange County, California, Terror Plot

In August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana were arrested in Los Angeles, California, and charged with conspiring to attack Los Angeles National Guard facilities, synagogues, and other targets in the Orange County area.

Kevin James allegedly founded a radical Islamic prison group and converted Levar Washington and others to the group, which was known as J.I.S., short for Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh

The J.I.S. allegedly planned to finance their operations by robbing gas stations.

After Washington and Patterson were arrested for robberies, police and federal agents began a terrorist investigation when a search of Washington’s apartment revealed a suspicious target list.

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/long-list-of-terror-thwarted-by-bush/

To be continued...

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85 posted on 09/12/2010 8:34:32 PM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I will accept your assertion if you can provide me with a list of the terrorist attacks that did not happen under GWB's administration. If you can't there is only one moron in this discussion and it ain't me.

You have no idea how little I would regard your acceptance of anything I have to say. Anyone taking the stance that Bush is not responsible for keeping America safe after 9/11 is chewing crayons in the schoolroom corner.

December 2005, Gas Lines Plot

· Michael C. Reynolds was arrested by the FBI in December 2005 and charged with being involved in a plot to blow up a Wyoming natural gas refinery; the Transcontinental Pipeline, a natural-gas pipeline stretching from the Gulf Coast to New York and New Jersey; and a New Jersey Standard Oil refinery.

He was arrested trying to pick up the $40,000 owed him for planning the attack.

His purported contact, Shan nen Rossmiller, was a Montana judge who was working with the FBI.

The FBI later found explo sives in a locker in his home town, Wilkes-Barre, PA.

Reynolds claimed that he was working as a private citizen to find terrorists.

Reynolds was convicted of providing material support to terrorists, soliciting a crime of violence, unlawful distribution of explosives, and unlawful possession of a hand grenade and sentenced to 30 years in prison.

February 2006, Iraq Bomb Building Plot

In Toledo, Ohio, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Mar wan Othman El-Hindi, and Wassim Mazloum were arrested in February 2006 for “conspiring to kill or injure people in the Middle East” and providing material support to terrorist organizations.

They allegedly intended to build bombs to be used in Iraq.

The investigation was begun through the help of an informant who was approached to help train the group.

April 2006, U.S. Capitol & World Bank Plot

Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee from Atlanta, Georgia, were accused of conspiracy, having discussed terrorist targets with alleged terrorist organizations.

They allegedly met with Islamic extremists and received training and in struction in how to gather videotape surveillance of potential targets in Washington area.

They videotaped places such as the U.S. Capitol and the World Bank headquarters as potential targets and sent the videos to a London extremist group.

They were indicted for providing material support to terrorist organizations and have pled not guilty.

June 2006, Sears Tower Plot

Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor , Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine were arrested in Miami and Atlanta in June 2006 for allegedly being in the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, as well as the FBI offices and other buildings.

The arrests resulted from an investigation involving an FBI informant. It is alleged that Narsearl Batiste was the leader of the group and first suggested attacking the Sears Tower in December 2005.

July 2006, New York City Train Tunell Plot

Eight suspects, including Assem Hammoud, an al-Qaeda loyalist living in Lebanon, were arrested for plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.

Conducting on-line surveillance of chat rooms, the FBI discovered a plot to attack underground transit links with New Jersey.

Hammoud was a self-proclaimed operative for al-Qaeda and admitted to the plot. He is currently in cus tody in Lebanon, and his case is pending. Two other suspects are in custody in other locations, and investigators continue to hunt down the other five suspects.

August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot

Planned to blow up as many as 12 U.S.-bound passenger jets using liquid explosives hidden in carryon luggage.

U.S./British authorities had the group under surveillance for many months.

Many of the suspects were British citizens of Pakistani origin.

March 2007, Skyscraper Plot

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

Mohammed also plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.

May 2007, Fort Dix Plot

Result of a 16 month investigation by Justice Dept and FBI.

Tipped off by an alert citizen (a video processing worker).

Suspects had taken an incriminating video to the store to be transferred to DVD.

Video showed calls for jihad and radical and violent ranting in Arabic, included images of the men firing assault weapons.

“The Ft. Dix Six” thought to be a leaderless, homegrown cell of immigrants from Jordan, Turkey and Yugoslavia (not believed to be tied to Al Qaeda).

All six suspects were convicted in December 2008.

June 2007, JFK Plot

Suspects planned to hit fuel farms and a 40-mile aviation fuel supply pipeline.

Specifically, they targeted the symbolism of JFK, seeking to invoke an emotional reaction saying “It’s like killing the man twice.”

Suspects were tied to extremists groups in South America and Caribbean, specifically Guyana and Trinidad.

One suspect was a former airport cargo worker.

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/long-list-of-terror-thwarted-by-bush/

86 posted on 09/12/2010 8:47:14 PM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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To: ohioWfan

Yeah, I’m getting that impression too. I tried to use a little humor, maybe a little sarcasm, some pity, etc.. I’d heard during the last election that some people from Obama’s election committee were going on conservative sites and stirring up trouble. They were supposed to pretend to be “real conservatives”, and to argue with people!

However, there were a large number of people back in the late 90s who were really unpleasant when talking about George W. Bush, and RINOs in general. I’d thought that “Cheat” was one of them from back then. It seems lately that a lot of these people have come back in some way w/new user names. There are some new names too with recent sign-ups.

They say that they thought “Bush-bots” were all gone. That’s why it was my impression that it was some of them. I don’t understand why the moderators are not going after some of them like they did for awhile. This one is a real stinker! He/she whatever, was acting crazy; using a lot of LOLs, RINO, etc.. That’s why I told “Cheet” that he was talking crazy, needed help, and I pitied him.

I tried, like you, to reason with him/her (you said it was a him), and asked them why they voted twice for GWB if they had such an ugly opinion of him. He didn’t answer me, but threw my question right back in my face. There are a number of these people like him, that do that! Then I finally just told him that to argue with him (because of the LOLs, upper caps, wild talk..)would be taking advantage of a hysterical, mad person and that would not be nice! ;*)


87 posted on 09/13/2010 12:38:55 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; Chunga
Impressive, accurate list, Chunga. Thank you!

I, however, would be embarrassed if I had argued that President Bush had not protected us from terrorist attacks for 7 years. It reveals a significant lack of information on Gandalf's part to have made that assessment.

I would not call him a 'moron.' Just grossly ignorant.......and most likely deliberately so.

88 posted on 09/13/2010 6:51:25 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: dsutah
I didn't join until 2001, but I know that there were a significant number of Clinton infiltrators in the late '90's who pretended to be conservative (mostly by making extremist comments based on stereotypes concocted by the media), but were leftist infiltrators.

I'm sure that there were a lot of Obama trolls who signed on in 2008, and this nutcase is probably one of them, or maybe a Clinton retread.

Note that he said the 'only conservative thing Bush did was tax cuts.' Now NO actual conservative would ever say that, because ALL conservatives, whether they hate Bush or not, acknowledge that his judicial choices were conservative (well, they still mention Miers, but that just makes them look silly, so they stop eventually).

This guy picked immigration as his theme. There was no 'discussion.' Just absurd name-calling and extremist nonsense, as though he was literally deranged and not just Bush deranged. The rantings of a lunatic.

Actually, dsutah, I feel sorry for BDS'ers these days. President Bush's popularity is rising exponentially because the dust of the media hatred for him has settled, the extremist leftist in the WH is making even some hardcore haters here acknowledge that President Bush was a man of integrity and loved this country, and the insane ones have no place for their rage to go.

There's a lot of flailing going on from BDS'ers. They post silly photoshops, they say stupid things, they insert themselves awkwardly and nonsensically on any positive thread about the President, and they make fools of themselves all over the place.

The wiser among them has moved on to focusing the rage on the Marxist in the White House, but these poor schleps have no constructive outlet for their irrational rage, so they get more irrational.

Whether this guy is a Clinton troll, an Obama troll, or a mentally deranged pseudo-con, he is to be pitied.

Oh, btw, the last resort of a BDS'er when confronted with the reality of the traitor Obama is that "Bush gave us Obama." It's the biggest crock of hooey ever invented. There were a thousand historical reasons for Obama's election. George W. Bush isn't even among the reasons, let alone the central reason. It's a sign of pure desperation to blame Obama on Bush.

The whole lot is just sad, that's all.

89 posted on 09/13/2010 7:05:59 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
I would not call him a 'moron.'

Neither would I.

90 posted on 09/13/2010 11:54:55 AM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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To: ohioWfan; Chunga
When you are wrong it's time to fall back on ad hominem attacks and playground name calling which does not alter the facts. I shall try to keep the discussion civil.

A most impressive list from which I can extract that the FBI was doing what it is charged with doing. I agree that GWB did a fine job of protecting the country. I also agree that we did destabilize al-Qa’ida by fighting an aggressive war on their territory and not ours, which is always the best way.

However, I still argue that "terrorist plots" could be just chatter, designed to keep us guessing, or dilute our resources, or make us jumpy, or cancel our civil rights. You can not make a flat statement that one man "kept us safe" when it could just as well been lack of money, somebody chickened out, it was canceled because you can't buy nuclear materials at Walmart, or it was never intended to advance in the first place. There is no way to assign a cause to a non event because it did not happen.

Having said that, I think it time to say we agree to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it defies logic.

Regards,
GtG

PS I am neither a moron, nor ignorant. Just fussy about errors in logic.

91 posted on 09/13/2010 11:57:57 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; Chunga
There were no 'ad hominems' in my post, nor was there any 'playground name-calling.'

What post were you reading? All I said was that you were lacking information to make the assessment that President Bush hadn't kept us safe, and I stand by it.

I called you no names. Please try to be accurate, as my post to you was entirely civil.

Thanks.

92 posted on 09/13/2010 7:19:01 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Chunga; Gandalf_The_Gray
Correct. I see that your actual words that his appeal to logic was 'moronic.'

Big difference there. My apology, Chunga.

It appears that neither of us called him any names, and yet he somehow thought we had (or at least thought I had, even though I was defending him against what I mistakenly thought you had said).

Sometimes things just don't make any sense. This is one of those times.....

93 posted on 09/13/2010 7:22:54 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
And it might be added that in spite of my being entirely civil to you, your response to me was not exactly what might be described as civil.

So on that point, as well as your assessment of who it was who kept us safe while we were indeed being kept safe, we will have to 'agree to disagree.'

94 posted on 09/13/2010 7:46:50 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Chunga
btw, I am stealing that entire list of yours for future reference.

Thanks. :)

95 posted on 09/13/2010 7:47:46 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan; Chunga
Sometimes things just don't make any sense. This is one of those times.....

Just one of those days I suppose. If I had it to do all over again I'd not even make my first post. As it turns out I've taken my bad day are hung it on two people I don't know but could expect to be friends with when all's said and done. Apologies all around, my bad.

Regards,
GtG

PS I voted GWB twice and if isn't the best President, he's far better then those I've seen in 67 years.

96 posted on 09/13/2010 8:15:42 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Not a problem. Apology gladly accepted. Thank you.

We all have bad days. I hope today is a better one for you. :)

97 posted on 09/14/2010 6:05:31 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Cheetahcat; ohioWfan

“Yes Bush BOT it is and I suggest you find a RINO forum Got It??”

There used to be one called ‘WideAwakes’. A group of Republican malcontents left FR to create a sanctuary where they could all get away from the scoffers and mockers who dare to point out that a lot of GOP emperors aren’t wearing any clothes. Alas, that Pubbie commune went down in flames one night in a spectacular case of mutiny, and some of those Pubbie communards have been slinking back to FR.

They have a tendency to elevate their favorite politicians to near-divine status and those who criticize those politician-gods are guilty of heresy. So watch out, Cheetahcat, you not only will find yourself barraged with charges of being a secret Leftist, you may get burned at the stake as well. Figuratively, of course.


98 posted on 09/17/2010 9:25:30 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Chunga; Gandalf_The_Gray
"Your appeal to logic is moronic."

Now that's an argument I've never seen before.

99 posted on 09/17/2010 9:31:56 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Pelham

“Yes Bush BOT it is and I suggest you find a RINO forum Got It??”

There used to be one called ‘WideAwakes’. A group of Republican malcontents left FR to create a sanctuary where they could all get away from the scoffers and mockers who dare to point out that a lot of GOP emperors aren’t wearing any clothes. Alas, that Pubbie commune went down in flames one night in a spectacular case of mutiny, and some of those Pubbie communards have been slinking back to FR.

They have a tendency to elevate their favorite politicians to near-divine status and those who criticize those politician-gods are guilty of heresy. So watch out, Cheetahcat, you not only will find yourself barraged with charges of being a secret Leftist, you may get burned at the stake as well. Figuratively, of course.”

Hey thank you and Regards.


100 posted on 09/17/2010 9:58:22 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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