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I think your wrong about him supplying shotguns to who he thought was a supremacist. Did he think he was selling them to a cop at that gathering? lol He supplied one or two and agreed to do more for a set fee.

Deny as you might you are claiming its okay to break laws like he did everyone does it. The laws he broke were tax evasion, resisting arrest, child endangerment and firearms violations etc. Things like that get Johny Laws attention.

I agree the government used extremely aggressive force when it didnt have to at all. But after pulling a weapon on another officer, his son shooting an agent,etc, he knew things had escalated dramatically and chose to have a standoff.

Not wise.

Like I said, if he was alone its one thing, but to drag ones family in is another all together.

You conveniently overlook his extremist beliefs, extremist acquaintances, and his total disregard for any law. its the reason he moved there, to surround himself with like minded people.

My whole point is Weaver was a not any hero. He paid a terrible price yes, but bear some fault to say the least.

Since when is wanting to be left alone a crime?

In what world do you shoot people over ALLEGED tax evasion?

BTW the shotgun was ruled to be legal in a court of law. The a$$clowns of the ATF could not even get that right.

Randy could of been brought in peacefully if the ATF and Marshall were not all macho. The local Sheriff even tried to get them to let him deal with it. I asked Randy point blank if he would of surrendered to the Sheriff and he said “yes”.

Next thing you know we will be burning women and kids to death over religion - oh wait.......

IIRC Weaver cut the shotgun of slightly longer than the minimum length. The agent then used a cloth tape with a little stretch to get the barrel just under the minimum length.

Weaver was not convicted on the charge.

So BD are you a LEO or one of those who all ways sees the LEOs as in the right. Come to think on it , that would make you a progressive.

Deny as you might you are claiming its okay to break laws like he did everyone does it.

Once again you are making a false accusation against me and again you will not post anything I have said to support it because none exists.

Things like that get Johny Laws attention.

But doesn't excuse opening fire without provocation which the LEOs did three separate times in this incident which is the only point I have made.

...his son shooting an agent,...

After being fired on from concealment without provocation.

You conveniently overlook his extremist beliefs, extremist acquaintances, and his total disregard for any law. its the reason he moved there, to surround himself with like minded people.

No, I'm just not using it as an excuse for three unprovoked shootings resulting in two murders and two others shot.

My whole point is Weaver was a not any hero.

A rather pointless point since I said no one here is making him out to be a hero.

He paid a terrible price yes, but bear some fault to say the least.

Criminal behavior has the reasonable consequences that come with the legal application of force to bring them to justice. Not one thing a criminal does becomes the cause of criminal behavior on the part of the authorities. That is a false view of cause and effect and responsibility for one's actions.