Aftermath'--William Shatner interviews Ruby Ridge massacre survivor

Examiner.com ^ | September 8th, 2010 | Anthony G. Martin

[Lurker]

Sara is on this trip preaching forgiveness for the murderer Hourichi and the other Federal scumbags.

I'll forgive Horiuchi when his brains are all over a wall or when he voluntarily enters prison. Not before.

[AuntB]

“During the Clinton/Reno years, Ruby Ridge and Waco were clear examples of federal agencies picking fights and using insane levels of excessive force and character assassination with the full cooperation of the media”

Ruby Ridge happened under George H.W. Bush. Clinton just followed suit.
See post 19

[Rocky Mountain High]

August 21, 1992 - George HW Bush was President.

[Copernicus]

Yes, an important fact frequently forgotten by the many and remembered by the few.

Best regards,

[Rocky Mountain High]

That was during Bush 1’s days

[Rocky Mountain High]

That was during Bush 1’s days

[TexasCajun]

Too bad those who stayed at Waco won't be able to give an interview.

Wasn't the same FBI guy involved with both assaults?

[Raider Sam]

Actually, this happened under Bush in August of 1992.

Though some of the same characters, including Lon Horiuchi, were invoved in Waco, the main political actors in Ruby Ridge were:

Idaho Gov (D) Cecil Andrus, Carter’s Secy of Interior, who allowed the FBI to use National Guard equipment (military equipment to siege 1 family in a shack)

USMS Wayne Smith, FBI HRT Commander Richard Rogers, US Attny Ron Howen used false reports of gunfire at a helicopter (the helicopter pilot said it didnt happen) as justification for the ROE and a charge of Conspiracy Against the Fed Gov

The judge who kept the bench warrant active for Weaver’s failure to meet the court date, even though Weaver was sent 2 letters with 2 dates.

FBI Director during the situation William Sessions, also Director for Waco.

Attorneys General for duration of case Dick Thornburgh and William Barr.

[mad_as_he$$]

With you on that.

[Copernicus]

It is frequently alleged Sniper Lon Horiuchi was an active shooter at both incidents.

Only your government knows for sure.

Best regards,

[TigersEye]

4. Weaver's defense. He ran down the hill to see what dog was barking at. Some guys in camys shot his dog. Started shooting at him. Killed his son. Harris did the shooting [of Degan]. He [Weaver] is in pretty strong legal position."'

It has been a long time since I read the accounts of what happened but the above is entirely wrong IIRC. Randy Weaver was not with his son, Samuel, and Harris who were out hunting. One FBI agent was hidden in the underbrush wearing a ghillie suit. The dog, which belonged to Samuel, started barking at the hidden agent. The agent, fearing exposure, shot the dog.

Samuel shot in the direction the shots had come from not knowing who had shot his dog or whether he and Harris were under fire also. He shot the agent. Samuel was wounded by return fire from the agent. Harris and Samuel ran back to the cabin. I don't recall if Harris carried him back but he was carrying him when he got to the property and put him in a shed near the house. Samuel may have been dead at that point.

[DainBramage]

So Weaver wasnt swing off shotguns for White Supremacists? Hmmm

And the damn ZOG agents killed him....

[TigersEye]

So Weaver wasnt swing off shotguns for White Supremacists? Hmmm

No, he sawed one off for an FBI agent. I don't think the agent presented himself as a White Supremacist.

[Copernicus]

It may refresh your memory to hear Sara Weaver's account on the Hulu webcast of Shatner's Aftermath.

That is what has brought all this bubbling back to the surface, apparently in a fairly big way.

Best regards,

[mad_as_he$$]

As I recall you post is basically correct except that they were Us marshals, not FBI. The FBI was called in after the Marshall was killed.

[mad_as_he$$]

Yes.

[DainBramage]

He wasnt at a white supremacist meeting? He didnt agree to deliver several sawed off shotguns to the undercover agent? He wasnt refusing to pay taxes to the government?

See... Weaver, however tragic the death of his wife and son, was no hero. He was an asshole who drug his family into alot of crap.

I agree the government screwed the pooch big time after his son shot one of the agents scouting the house, but Weaver is no hero.

[TigersEye]

The accounts I have read were given by Harris and Randy Weaver. Sara Weaver ought to know how the story goes but she was a young child and they weren't. I also don't think what I quoted from the article was a direct quote from Sara Weaver but I will watch the interview and see what she says.

FWIW the author of the article, Anthony Martin, is a nutcase.

[Copernicus]

You should really watch the Shatner Interview on Hulu.

It covers a lot of ground in a comprehensive way.

Best regards,

[matt1234]

And the damn ZOG agents killed him....

Randy Weaver survived. His wife and son were killed by gov't agents. Randy and a friend were wounded. One gov't agent was killed.

In the Shatner interview, they said that the gov't suspended their usual ROE allowing the gov't to shoot first at anyone who was armed. This permission was in effect regardless of whether there was an immediate threat, if I understood it correctly.