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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 09/08/2010 2:27:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

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I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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To: piasa

I see your point. I fired before reading the poster’s comment.


121 posted on 09/08/2010 12:01:42 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Crim
" Hrmmm....so you are against the freedom of expression now too?

No.

"Isnt it possible to support the burning of the koran and NOT be a phelps supporter?"

Do you have the background, experience and/or education which qualifies you to instruct, advise or otherwise direct General Petraeus on how to perform his sworn duties?

"or are you buying into the 'OMG dont burn a Koran' hysteria?"

Are you able to make a cogent point without making up garbage?

"Pretty simple eh?"

No, not simple at all.

In 2009, one (1) serviceman violated U.S. Central Command's General Order Number 1, dated 19 Dec 2000, amended 30 Nov 2001 and 9 Aug 2003, and date-stamped 13 March 2006 in linked file below which

" forbids troops on active duty -- including all those based in Iraq and Afghanistan -- from trying to convert people to another religion."

See:

US Central Command General Order 1B

Section 2 Subsection k. dated 19 Dec 2000, amended 30 Nov 2001 and 9 Aug 2003.

2. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES

...

k. Proselytizing of any religion, faith or practice

US Central Command General Order 1B

122 posted on 09/08/2010 12:09:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: earlJam; Admin Moderator

My apologies..I fired too fast..People need to know about this .
The support of the Westboro bunch made me temporily blind to the poster’s intent.


123 posted on 09/08/2010 1:23:13 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: earlJam

Phelps is a long time Dem. op.


124 posted on 09/08/2010 1:24:26 AM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: MEG33

temporarily.


125 posted on 09/08/2010 1:25:50 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: MEG33

That’s quite understandable. :)


126 posted on 09/08/2010 2:46:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: omegadawn

That’s beside the point. These people are sick bastards and no one on FR with any brains should in any way support them . My 2 cents


127 posted on 09/08/2010 2:56:19 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: ConservativeInCA2011

You all are being played for suckers by the left. Support this sicko and it will come back to bite us. Use some common sense.


128 posted on 09/08/2010 3:00:37 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: takenoprisoner

NOW we understand what the Christians in the century that Islam first started were doing, in which Christians were turning against each other in the years leading up to the appearance of the latter.


129 posted on 09/08/2010 3:21:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: earlJam

“Next week he is holding up a “GOD HATES FAGS” sign and we look stupid”.....

Not at all !
I rather think that YOU look stupid as a flip-floper changing stance with the winds....

The point is that the Pastor is brave (he received death threats) and ,above all, he is right since that anounce of Quran burning on the 9/11 means a lot when muslims are trying to impose their retard barbarian “religion” in USA and all over the world in Europe under the kind eyes of usefull idiot libtards and lunatic ideologues.

They are using the freedom of religion ,freedom of thinking rethoric when THEY DON’T RESPECT freedom of religion when they threaten to death those who criticize them and the former “muslims” who want to change religion...

Stop this insanity !
I ,like many people,refuse the settlement of islam in Europe, in France my country of birth,and in the western world with the building of a lot of big mosqes,the development of muslim communities with their own laws which don’t respect our historical founding values....

I am just wondering about WHO is really an embarassment!


130 posted on 09/08/2010 3:34:29 AM PDT by Ulysse (s)
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To: dangerdoc

Maybe,i don’t know, but i am OK with that symbolic action of koran burning


131 posted on 09/08/2010 3:41:43 AM PDT by Ulysse (s)
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To: Admin Moderator

***e moved it from Chat to Breaking News. Hope you don?t mind. :)***

Thanks. I knew this was important.


132 posted on 09/08/2010 3:42:09 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: Admin Moderator
2. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES ... k. Proselytizing of any religion, faith or practice

And from that you found, hidden in a penumbra formed by emanations from the regulation, a sub silentio Bible burning clause.

133 posted on 09/08/2010 3:42:27 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Muslims are using EN MASSE and since a long time your constitutional rights against USA and free countries....
And they are way more threatening than the pastor’s little church!!

Liberal stupidity as no bound

Beware about trolls


134 posted on 09/08/2010 3:45:33 AM PDT by Ulysse (s)
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To: mountainbunny

Perfectly WRONG !

This is pure libtard relativism(stupidity!)

We have the right to demand other countries to change their ways since they are WRONG and we are RIGHT...
But maybe those differences between right and wrong and good and bad are beyond your understanding capacities...

Libtard retards forget (or feign to) that if there is no right and wrong there are no sciences, no policies, no societies, no laws....Good morning barbaria and prehistory !


135 posted on 09/08/2010 4:04:08 AM PDT by Ulysse (s)
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To: earlJam

Gee. And just yesterday many in here were talking about what a wonderful guy Jones is.


136 posted on 09/08/2010 4:07:34 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Mojave
The post was not posted in response to you.

Try setting your sights a little higher and enhance your comprehension, rather than trolling off irrelevant quips based upon your apparent ignorance.

137 posted on 09/08/2010 4:08:30 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: sonic109

” You all are being played for suckers by the left. Support this sicko and it will come back to bite us. Use some common sense.”

common sense, as in find what weakens your enemy and use it against them?

I can see in this thread that the NEA has succeded in making whimps of all they indoctrinate


138 posted on 09/08/2010 4:12:00 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: Mojave

Get lost troll.


140 posted on 09/08/2010 4:21:20 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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