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Help Requested (Vanity) - Legalities of Forced School Fundraising
8-31-10 | entrepreneur

Posted on 08/31/2010 10:56:15 PM PDT by Entrepreneur

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1 posted on 08/31/2010 10:56:19 PM PDT by Entrepreneur
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I’d go with your idea. If your kid gets kicked out of the class then so what? It won’t be the end of the world.


2 posted on 08/31/2010 11:01:27 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Is it legal for a public school to throw a kid out of an extracurricular program, which provides school credits, if the kid doesn't raise do enough fund-raising?

Yep. Extracurricular activities can establish any criteria they want, so long as the same applies to all.

It is like asking if cheerleaders can be culled or band students cut for not participating in fund-raising.

In my day, we had car washes and the like to pay for our marching band travel expenses. Don't make the event, you are cut from band.

Since EXC events are not required you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

3 posted on 08/31/2010 11:02:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Either we have principles or we are just liberals following the winds a bit starboard...)
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Senior prank


4 posted on 08/31/2010 11:03:10 PM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's new album in the top 5 in the US. Incredible)
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I’d go with your idea. If your kid gets kicked out of the class then so what? It won’t be the end of the world.

That was my attitude until my wife pointed out that it would inhibit the ability of my child to win a performing arts scholarship.

5 posted on 08/31/2010 11:07:22 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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Yep. Extracurricular activities can establish any criteria they want, so long as the same applies to all.

Except it's also a credit class.

6 posted on 08/31/2010 11:10:16 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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I have a daughter that is in the arts. She has been in the pre-pro ballet training track for sometime. This is standard operating procedure for studios like hers. It varies, sometimes we are required to buy 15 tickets for a show. Sometimes we also have to buy an ad for the program. But all of this ‘fund raising’ is done for the studio, and for the ability to pay for the theater, and to put on the show. None of this is connected to a public school.

Is this an extraordinary school program that needs extra funds for costumes? Where is the money going? Usually for our studio, it is to pay for the use of the theater, and the stage crew. The public schools around here already have their own theaters. These types of requirements aren’t unheard of in the world of separate studios that do shows so the kids can get stage experience.

If it is the last year, pay up and be glad it will be the last of it.


7 posted on 08/31/2010 11:13:16 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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Why should taxpayers pay for a dubious hobby like theater in the first place? Or have an interest in the petty squabbles between parents and government unionists?

8 posted on 08/31/2010 11:13:33 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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Here's the law for California. In short it is illegal in California to force students to engage in fundraising activities because the California Constitution guarantees students a free education.

See Link

Still looking for the equivalent in Texas.

9 posted on 08/31/2010 11:14:55 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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Think of it as a reality check.
Public schools are not Drama acadamies nor should they be. I'm sure sports, drama and music are desireable, but when most school districts are scrambling to teach the traditional basics, it's a bit much to expect the discretional courses to continue business as usual.
Regardless of the causes of the current finalcial meltdown, the need to reduce unnecessary basic education expenses is not an option, it's essential survival.

Of course arts are "necessary", in the abstract sense, but possible only in a dynamic economic envirenment. The trouble with "starving" artists is that the role beats real work requiring sarifice and effort, and none of the losers actually starve.

10 posted on 08/31/2010 11:15:50 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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That was my attitude until my wife pointed out that it would inhibit the ability of my child to win a performing arts scholarship.

I am going to presume that a performing arts scholarship would require your child pursue a performing arts-related degree in college. If this is true, then what about the following questions:

I don't mean to sound condescending but to me the arts in general sounds like a career field where you have a very small handful of people make a lot of money, but 99.9% of everyone else ends up working high stress, low wage type work with no real financial reward for their troubles.

Is it really worth it to bend over backwards and give in when there is a good chance that there might be no real reward for the effort put in?

11 posted on 08/31/2010 11:16:56 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Here is the key word:

Extracurricular.

As in not required. As in beyond the curriculum...

In addition it is likely the activity isn’t fully taxpayer funded because its - extracurricular. It probably requires additional funding to function and without it the doors close. So if you want your child to participate in it either pony up the costs of your child’s participation yourself or sell the ads to cover the cost. Why is it you think you should get it for free?


12 posted on 08/31/2010 11:17:26 PM PDT by DB
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I would consider the ‘fundraising’ as the cost for my child to participate. My sons were all in band...they sold candy bars and fruit. If you are opposed to the fundraising, perhaps you can offer to make an equivalent cash contribution. I do believe the music and arts programs very important to a well-rounded education...but if the school district doesn’t have the funds it’s got to come from somewhere or they’ll simply cut the programs.

I will say this...I never allowed them to participate in ‘general’ fundraising drives while in elementary school. I was adamantly opposed to the ‘hard sell’ assemblies held by the promoters where prizes are promised to the highest sellers.


13 posted on 08/31/2010 11:19:02 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! DeMint, 2012)
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Not when it comes to extracurricular activities.

If you want to participate you have to pull your own weight - at least to some degree...


14 posted on 08/31/2010 11:19:06 PM PDT by DB
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Was just sent the following...

According to the IRS, a group or club cannot require that a member participate in a fund-raiser nor require that each member raise a certain amount. In addition, the IRS stipulates that a member who does not participate in a fund-raiser would be entitled to the same benefits as those members who did participate.

15 posted on 08/31/2010 11:21:59 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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So because you get credit for taking an extracurricular activity you demand it be free?


16 posted on 08/31/2010 11:22:14 PM PDT by DB
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Why should taxpayers pay for a dubious hobby like theater in the first place? Or have an interest in the petty squabbles between parents and government unionists?

I agree completely. However, that's a separate point.

17 posted on 08/31/2010 11:23:30 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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>>Except it’s also a credit class.<<

It is an OPTIONAL credit class. It isn’t like requiring getting credit or grades in History requires selling candy.

If all students do not need to participate then it is subject to whatever the district allows.


18 posted on 08/31/2010 11:23:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Either we have principles or we are just liberals following the winds a bit starboard...)
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What sort of BS is that?

You think the IRS makes group/club participation rules and for that matter could enforce them?

Try that at the girl scouts, boy scouts, FFA or 4H. They are not charities.


19 posted on 08/31/2010 11:25:49 PM PDT by DB
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Is this an extraordinary school program that needs extra funds for costumes?

Nope. It's just a public HS with self-important theater people. Is that redundant?

If it is the last year, pay up and be glad it will be the last of it

That's likely what will happen, though I'm just p---ed right now. I'm even more irritated that my kid when out and sold an additional ad tonight out of fear of the school, but won't collect until Thursday.

20 posted on 08/31/2010 11:28:37 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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