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Sterilize the Unfit Says British Professor
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/31/10 | Hilary White

Posted on 08/31/2010 4:06:07 PM PDT by wagglebee

LONDON, August 30, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The mentally and morally “unfit” should be sterilized, Professor David Marsland, a sociologist and health expert, said this weekend. The professor made the remarks on the BBC radio program Iconoclasts, which advertises itself as the place to “think the unthinkable.”

Pro-life advocates and disability rights campaigners have responded by saying that Marsland’s proposed system is a straightforward throwback to the coercive eugenics practices of the past.

Marsland, Emeritus Scholar of Sociology and Health Sciences at Brunel University, London and Professorial Research Fellow in Sociology at the University of Buckingham, told the BBC that “permanent sterilization” is the solution to child neglect and abuse.

“Children are abused or grossly neglected by a very small minority of inadequate parents.” Such parents, he said, are not distinguished by “disadvantage, poverty or exploitation,” he said, but by “a number or moral and mental inadequacies” caused by “serious mental defect,” “chronic mental illness” and drug addiction and alcoholism.

“Short of lifetime incarceration,” he said, the solution is “permanent sterilization.”

The debate, chaired by the BBC’s Edward Stourton, was held in response to a request by a local council in the West Midlands that wanted to force contraception on a 29-year-old woman who members of the council judged was mentally incapable of making decisions about childrearing. The judge in the case refused to permit it, saying such a decision would “raise profound questions about state intervention in private and family life.”

Children whose parents are alcoholics or drug addicts can be rescued from abusive situations, but, Marlsand said, “Why should we allow further predictable victims to be harmed by the same perpetrators? Here too, sterilization provides a dependable answer.”

He dismissed possible objections based on human rights, saying that “Rights is a grossly overused and fundamentally incoherent concept … Neither philosophers nor political activists can agree on the nature of human rights or on their extent.”

Complaints that court-ordered sterilization could be abused “should be ignored,” he added. “This argument would inhibit any and every action of social defense.”

Brian Clowes, director of research for Human Life International (HLI), told LifeSiteNews (LSN) that in his view Professor Marsland is just one more in a long line of eugenicists who want to solve human problems by erasing the humans who have them. Clowes compared Marsland to Lothrop Stoddard and Margaret Sanger, prominent early 20th century eugenicists who promoted contraception and sterilization for blacks, Catholics, the poor and the mentally ill and disabled whom they classified as “human weeds.”

He told LSN, “It does not seem to occur to Marsland that most severe child abuse is committed by people he might consider ‘perfectly normal,’ people like his elitist friends and neighbors.”

“Most frightening of all,” he said, “is Marsland’s dismissal of human rights. In essence, he is saying people have no rights whatsoever, because there is no universal agreement on what those rights actually are.”

The program, which aired on Saturday, August 28, also featured a professor of ethics and philosophy at Oxford, who expressed concern about Marland’s proposal, saying, “There are serious problems about who makes the decisions, and abuses.” Janet Radcliffe Richards, a Professor of Practical Philosophy at Oxford, continued, “I would dispute the argument that this is for the sake of the children.
 
“It’s curious case that if the child doesn’t exist, it can’t be harmed. And to say that it would be better for the child not to exist, you need to be able to say that its life is worse than nothing. Now I think that’s a difficult thing to do because most people are glad they exist.”

But Radcliffe Richards refused to reject categorically the notion of forced sterilization as a solution to social problems. She said there “is a really serious argument” about the “cost to the rest of society of allowing people to have children when you can pretty strongly predict that those children are going to be a nuisance.”

Marsland’s remarks also drew a response from Alison Davis, head of the campaign group No Less Human, who rejected his entire argument, saying that compulsory sterilization would itself be “an abuse of some of the most vulnerable people in society.”
 
Marsland’s closing comments, Davis said, were indicative of his anti-human perspective. In those remarks he said that nothing in the discussion had changed his mind, and that the reduction of births would be desirable since “there are too many people anyway.”

Davis commented, “As a disabled person myself I find his comments offensive, degrading and eugenic in content.

“The BBC is supposed to stand against prejudicial comments against any minority group. As such it is against it’s own code of conduct, as well as a breach of basic human decency, to broadcast such inflammatory and ableist views.”



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eugenics; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: wagglebee

Tough issue ping.


21 posted on 08/31/2010 4:15:15 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Billthedrill

I have a longer list, filled with the names of celebrities. I cannot think of a worse group of people who cannot run their own lives and their career field is certainly not ‘productive.’


22 posted on 08/31/2010 4:18:23 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: wagglebee
I hereby declare Marshland unfit.

Off with his nuts!

23 posted on 08/31/2010 4:22:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Niuhuru

Oh, I don’t (Michael Moore) know - I can’t think (Michael Moore) of any celebrities offhand (Michael Moore) who shouldn’t (Michael Moore) reproduce. For the (Michael Moore) good of all humankind, dontcha know...


24 posted on 08/31/2010 4:23:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: tet68

“unfit professors” is repeating yourself.


25 posted on 08/31/2010 4:23:32 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (you can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it.)
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To: wagglebee

Lets start with his brain.


26 posted on 08/31/2010 4:25:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: null and void

Anyway, just looking at this professor’s pic makes me want to cross my legs.


27 posted on 08/31/2010 4:26:21 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (you can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it.)
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To: jwalsh07

ROFL


28 posted on 08/31/2010 4:27:24 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: goseminoles

Although we may wish that some people didn’t have children, there’s nothing “tough” about the idea that there’s *nobody* we would trust to have the power to forcibly sterilize others.

Certainly not this putz in the article. I wouldn’t trust him to watch my snake.


29 posted on 08/31/2010 4:30:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I should be, but I'm not.)
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To: wagglebee

He looks like a troll. I wonder if I debated him recently.

30 posted on 08/31/2010 4:31:06 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

They don’t believe in human rights because they don’t believe in the One who gives us rights. Or gives us life.

Look on the bright side - they seem to be taking their masks off right now.


31 posted on 08/31/2010 4:33:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: wagglebee

Good grief, we’re going back to the eugenics of the 1920’s. This type of thinking ended up with the “scientific” racism of the Nazis.


32 posted on 08/31/2010 4:34:02 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Billthedrill

*snicker* Just by getting rid of him we eliminate a huge percent of the amount of food ‘needlessly’ consumed. And we create more space on airplanes.


33 posted on 08/31/2010 4:34:46 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Billthedrill

*snicker* Just by getting rid of him we eliminate a huge percent of the amount of food ‘needlessly’ consumed. And we create more space on airplanes.


34 posted on 08/31/2010 4:34:49 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: wagglebee

I’m all for it and I deem all Democrats unfit.


35 posted on 08/31/2010 4:38:14 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: wagglebee
The mentally and morally “unfit

That should put the Doc himself at the head of the line.

36 posted on 08/31/2010 4:40:29 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: wagglebee

I agree with his assertion only so far as to have it applied to him and his ilk.


37 posted on 08/31/2010 4:45:05 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Margaret Sanger would be proud.

So would be Hitler and all the U.S. Progressives.

38 posted on 08/31/2010 4:45:51 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Tax-chick

You have a snake? I used to. My wife got “Monty” in the divorce. You’re right, noone should be forcibly sterilized. But I have a hard time thinking that those who can’t wipe their own asses or have iq’s of 60 reproduce.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not for sterilization of any kind. But I can understand the concept, not necessarily agree with it. Two sided brain and all...


39 posted on 08/31/2010 4:46:04 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

People who are completely incompetent are not going to reproduce unless they’re abused. Sexual abuse of the handicapped is a serious problem, unfortunately.

People who have acquired incompetence, so to speak, would have fewer children if they were not financially compensated for it. Professor Whatsis should be agitating for reduction or elimination of welfare payments, not forced sterilization.

We have a corn snake (Susan), a panther chameleon, two bearded dragons, three tropical anoles, two cats, a fish, a gerbil, and a greyhound. I’m nost sure how this happened!


40 posted on 08/31/2010 4:50:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I should be, but I'm not.)
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