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Gay and Lesbian Republicans Seek Political Inclusion
US News and World Report ^ | August 30, 2010 | DANIELLE KURTZLEBEN

Posted on 08/30/2010 5:21:25 PM PDT by DesertRenegade

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To: Joan Kerrey; counterpunch
Many would welcome domestic partnership arrangements. Not all Conservatives buy into the entire party platform. Do we turn off those people too?

There is no comparison between homosexual partnerships, of any kind, and a domestic partnership.

One is a perversion, the other functions like a marriage, and many are actually monogomous for an entire lifetime.

Read Romans Chapter 1, as it fully explains the depth of depravity of those who practice homosexuality.

You are comparing apples and tires.

Once you go down the road of compromising with evil, it becomes much easier to compromise the next time and the next time, etc.
61 posted on 08/30/2010 9:08:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: DesertRenegade
As far as I'm concerned, they're welcome in the party and always have been.

What isn't welcome is the gay rights agenda.

62 posted on 08/30/2010 9:12:01 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Ev Reeman
I think there is a place for gays and lesbians in the republican party as long as they realize that many conservatives, although they may find homosexuality in general objectionable and unnatural, that they would not be against civil unions for gays and lesbians, just do not call it marriage.

I tend to disagree on many levels.

First, there are no additional separate species of humans e.g. "gays and lesbians" -we talk of an activity practiced by people here -not people themselves.

Second, one does not find the obvious -homosexual sex is disordered, unnatural, and self destructive -this is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact.

Last, I oppose homosexual civil unions on the same premise I oppose "homosexual marriage" -they do not benefit society -they are of no value to society -if not for the elitists imposing such absurd nonsense on society thus far, this homosexual novelty and social experiment would have been relegated again to the trash heap of history like so many other idiotic things society has kicked to the curb many times before...

Note: some homosexual mecca like San Francisco may vote to establish civil unions -that is their right. However, it is as well the right of individuals to not subsidize such lunacy and as a consequence vote with both feet and pocket book. Just as we now see the socialist financially bankrupt cities and states falling under the weight of the absurd policies of redistribution they embrace fail we as well would see the homosexual agenda supporters fail -epic fail.

The ONLY way the homosexual agenda can succeed is by imposition -it can NOT stand on its own merits. THUS, it should be self evident that THOSE who support the homosexual agenda as well support the dismantling of freedom and the usurpation of individual rights for the collective...

Civil unions advance conservativism? -think again...

63 posted on 08/30/2010 9:25:19 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: caww; DesertRenegade

Anyone who thinks homosexual sex is cool only need turn off their internet filter and type gay sex in Google and hit images or video etc

it ain’t normal

no matter how urbane, arty, witty, pretty, fashionable and endearing some of them may be

in the end they engage in perversion and to stamp that as marriage is apostate

now if they just want to be discreet and help our side and support my values except their sexual peccadillo that they will keep private as they should then cool...welcome aboard

problem is it rarely ends there

any fag hags here just type in “twinks” for starters...you have been warned...you will be educated


64 posted on 08/30/2010 9:33:54 PM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: SuzyQue
providing your intent isn’t just to let me know how much wiser and righteous you think you are.

Have you watched a friend die of Aids? Don't tell me "providing your intent isn’t just to let me know how much wiser and righteous you think you are." Don is dead. From Aids. The homosexual lifestyle KILLS. It is aberrant, deviant and deadly.

65 posted on 08/30/2010 9:53:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: wardaddy

Hey Wardaddy...thanks for adding your imput...I can’t bring myself to post what my daughter-in-law has stated. As mentioned, working in ER as a trauma nurse she has seen it all...what they do to each other is pretty much unspeakable let alone what you say is actually on the net. I will pass on that..sufficient the mental picture she painted as she spoke!

You are right to say it never ends....the perversion becomes more and more so as they practice it. Interesting in Pittsburgh is a park area the gays meet to hook up for sex. That area has lost much of it’s follage and trees are not bearing leaves as before from what I’ve been told...people generally just stay away from there.

I don’t want to know who is homosexual in the Rep. Party or any other for that matter. But they will likely “come out” more and more.


66 posted on 08/30/2010 10:08:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: SoConPubbie
Once you go down the road of compromising with evil, it becomes much easier to compromise the next time and the next time, etc.

Yep and the the less and less senstitive one becomes to other evils. The mind becomes warped, numbed or both.

67 posted on 08/30/2010 10:49:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: DJ MacWoW
This is ok?
Folsom Street Fair

Nope, and I never said anything like that was OK.

I guess you didn't notice my statement in my first post where I said: "Also, they shouldn't be so much "in your face" with their homosexuality, if you know what I mean."

With that statement, I was referring to the kind of behavior to be found in fairs such as the one you linked to. Personally, I would want those people arrested, charged, and prosecuted, and maybe even removed from general society altogether by sending them to prison. They were acting like depraved and wild animals in that fair and any others like it.

There is depravity amongst homosexuals as well as in the straight society. However, the majority in any of those groups don't behave like those at the fair you mentioned. Therefore, the way I see it, the majority shouldn't get condemned for the actions of a minority in their group.

After 20 years of research there is nothing that points to such a conclusion. And the APA has backed off their genetic stand.

APA drops "gay gene" claim, research shows change is possible for gays


I too used to point at studies like to back up my beliefs that homosexuality was wrong. I still believe that it's wrong, but I also believe that it might be something that they have no "choice" about.

Even children, at a very young age and before they've had any exposure to sex, exhibit their tendency or preference or attraction for the same sex. So, how did they get that "abnormal" behavior? Did they learn it or get exposed to some others exhibiting that kind of behavior?

Research into sexuality is still very flawed and more is being learned everyday. Therefore, until scientific research can determine very conclusively what causes someone to "become" homosexual, I'll withhold judgment and I'll try to be tolerant.

It's a mental illness. No one chooses to be mentally ill. But they do choose to remain that way.

I suppose that you understand mental illness very well and that you're an expert at it.

I don't doubt that there are people who experiment with same sex experiences while being straight. And there might be others that want to go "both ways" in their sexual "endeavors". But, I also believe that to real homosexuals, it wasn't a "choice" that they made to have an attraction for their same sex. That "tolerance" is a big change for me who used to feel uncomfortable around them and actually hated being around gays.

People are born with many different traits and with many different faults or defects. Some of those defects can be genetic or post genetic in the womb. Psychology is a very inexact science and the APA will still have to continue their "research"; but the most research will have to be done on the brain and on the character altering chemicals in the body.
68 posted on 08/31/2010 6:45:59 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
Therefore, the way I see it, the majority shouldn't get condemned for the actions of a minority in their group.

They are not the minority. And THEY are the very ones pushing for special rights based on behavior. Those ARE the "activists".

but I also believe that it might be something that they have no "choice" about.

It is a mental illness that they choose to cling to.

Even children, at a very young age and before they've had any exposure to sex, exhibit their tendency or preference or attraction for the same sex. So, how did they get that "abnormal" behavior?

There are varied reasons. Abuse, lack of relationship with the father or no father, disapproval of a mother. There are many causes.

Research into sexuality is still very flawed and more is being learned everyday.

Not really. Research is being blocked by homosexual lobbyists. They use political pressure to silence critics. All of this has been posted on FR.

I suppose that you understand mental illness very well and that you're an expert at it.

I have a gay brother and have gotten to know his friends. I used to go bar-hopping with them. There were quite a few "gay" bars in Toledo. The mental illness is obvious. And they all had lousy parental relationships and some had been abused by friends and relatives. All were unhappy. Some suicidal.

Some of those defects can be genetic

No. They are not.

Born or Bred?: Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

In his book Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr. Jeffrey Satinover writes:

We will see later the falsity of activists' repeated assertions that homosexuality is immutable. They seek to create the impression that science has settled these questions, but it most certainly has not. Instead, the changes that have occurred in both public and professional opinion have resulted from politics, pressure, and public relations.

Read the whole article.

69 posted on 08/31/2010 7:04:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: adorno
From After the Ball By Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. (1989).

1. Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and often as possible. (Through sheer perseverance the opposition will be worn down)
2. Portray gays as victims, not aggressive challengers.
3. Give homosexual protectors a “just” cause.
4. Make gays look good. (Notice that the media always makes the “gay” character the hero)
5. Make the victimizers look bad.
6. Solicit funds: the buck stops here (i.e., get corporate America and major foundations to financially support the homosexual cause).

Book Review of The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing The Principal Threat To Religious Freedom Today

They [homosexual advocates] reframed the issue, taking it out of the moral realm, and presented it as a ‘human rights’ issue. Those who opposed their argument were deemed ‘hateful’ or ‘intolerant’ toward those that are ‘different’ - even though the group’s only identification is that of a chosen sexual behavior.

70 posted on 08/31/2010 7:36:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Jesus told the adultrous women, “Go forth and SIN NO MORE.”

He did not say “Go forth and have at it, I’ll just look the other way.


71 posted on 08/31/2010 8:20:53 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: skeeter

“Inclusion”? The recently openly Gay candidate for Lt. Governor in MA, Sen. Richard Tisei stated upon becoming Minority Leader in the MA State Senate that the MASSGOP would no longer be the party of traditional family values. His running mate Charlie Baker is on YouTube telling social conservatives to screw.


72 posted on 09/01/2010 7:47:33 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy
Funny how fast "live & let live" becomes "my way or the highway" for all these political special interest groups.

Something for the rst of us to keep in mind.

73 posted on 09/01/2010 7:52:28 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: DJ MacWoW

There are people who are life long residents of my neighborhood who I consider friends. One I’ve known since Kindergarten. They identify as Italian. They also happen to be Gay or Lesbian. They vote at the same place I do. I have never seen them turned away. They have the same rights I do.


74 posted on 09/01/2010 8:03:31 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy
They have the same rights I do.

I am surprised how many miss that. They are not denied any rights. But because they have usurped civil rights language, people think homosexuals are "oppressed".

75 posted on 09/01/2010 8:11:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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