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"That's either hopeless defeatism (note my tagline), or the attempt to lower others' morale on purpose. "

No, it's an informed understanding of the practical reality. There is NOT even close to enough support to pass a marriage amendment. If you believe otherwise, you have no idea how constitutional amendments are passed in this country. They're HARD to pass, that's why there has been only 17 of them in the 223 years that have passed since the the first Constitutional Convention and initial adoption of the Constitution. It doesn't take a majority to pass a constitutional amendment, it takes a super-majority. There is not a super-majority of support to ban homosexual marriage.

I also understand how the federal judiciary works, and I watch the Court closely enough to predict how Kennedy will vote on this issue - he's going to vote with the liberals. I think there's even a chance that Roberts and perhaps Alito vote with the liberals as well - we'll see. People forget that Roberts litigated two gay (for the homosexuals) cases when he was in private practice. In any event, it only takes Kennedy to make homosexual marriage the law of the land, and that will come probably sometime in 2012 or 2013 at the latest.

I don't deal in fantasy, I deal in reality. If you think that's "defeatist", so be it.

I just posted this on another thread, applies here as well:

If a person actually has conservative principles but is constantly telling others stuff like "It's over, it's hopeless, they'll win, get used to it" - they're as bad as that coward in "Saving Private Ryan" who refused to deliver the ammo and caused so many deaths. Cowards can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.

And those who are not the cowards with supposed principles are just regular leftists (aka "pragmatists" and "realists" - btw, so well described in "Screwtape" and "That Hideous Strength") who want to instill fear and defeatism in conservatives so their side can win.

It's that simple. Read my tagline by C.S.Lewis. He was right.

I see no one else seems to believe you.

I do.

Your prediction and understanding of the electorate and the political realities are exactly on target.

Without a doubt, exactly as you said, and for the exact reasons you stated, you are correct.

Sodomy, outright, far extreme sexual deviation will be normalized and likely within less than 10 years.

And all those who are saying you are “just giving up” and that it is “the end of America forever”. They are right too.

It is.

We lost.

Like the headless chicken, we lost a long time ago, and the reality of the spiritual death of this nation has not caught up with the economic and political body.

It will.

By 2020, if we are still here, in name, as a nation, it will be one totally unrecognizable to those a generation before it.

And folks, I haven’t given up.

FR’s posting rules don’t let me tell you what needs to be done and how to do it. And I won’t even hint at it, other than to say I have had said posts removed recently for saying it.

But it is coming. It is coming FAST!

And we are soooo not ready for it....

But the OldDeckHand, he is right. We LOST.

This election, we will win 35 or more Governors seats, 100+ in the congress. A HUGE victory. Biggest in history.

And you know the saddest part?

It will be too little. It will be too late.

The frog that feels the heat enough to jump, is already dead by that point.

The electorate that turns out to turn back the abuses, is already past the point where, by the ballot box, they can do so.

And it breaks my heart to post it.

But you all better get with the program. Because it doesn’t get pretty after what I have just pointed out, occurs.

2010 is going to be the MOST Euphoric election result in generations!!

And 2011 the worst governing in our nation’s entire history.

:::sigh::::